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I remember someone was murdered near the university I attended and the campus had to go on lockdown. Also 5/352 of mass shootings have occurred here. So it's pretty much a safe zone if you stay away from the FM roads at night.
We can't be safe, not even in our home nation.
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Magical-Soul wrote:


MattMiller wrote:


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Wait. You stricter gun laws will help bring down mass shootings? lol what

No person or organization(yes, that includes the government) can really control guns.

Owning and having guns are an inalienable right, under no circumstances can we choose rights for each person. No license is necessary. Etc. if you don't wanna get shot up, bring your own gun.


Amendments can be repealed. Cars are not a right but most people have them. I'm no longer convinced that we need guns as a right any longer, and I say that as a gun owner.


No they can't. The only people who can change the constitution are the ones who written it. Europeans and Moors.

Without both of them present, and with full consciousness and nationality can anyone make any adjustments.

The constitution hasn't been changed in over a century. If it could be repealed, the government would have tried it already, but they can't, so they made another constitution with a similar name.

Tl;dr, anyone who thinks rights can be repealed is probably uneducated or is a Marxist.


Seriously you can, and it involves neither Europeans or Moors. But it could involve a political miracle and a lot of time.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.htm

The 27th amendment became law on May 7 1997. Thus the consitiution was last changed 222 months ago, or 6784 days. All of which are less than a century unless you want to say it has yet to be changed this century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I'm not sure how to respond to your ad hominem attack so I'll just say I have a college degree (meaning an education) and you will just have to take my word that I'm not a Marxist as there really isnt any way I can prove or disprove it.
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Seriously you can, and it involves neither Europeans or Moors. But it could involve a political miracle and a lot of time.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.htm

The 27th amendment became law on May 7 1997. Thus the consitiution was last changed 222 months ago, or 6784 days. All of which are less than a century unless you want to say it has yet to be changed this century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I'm not sure how to respond to your ad hominem attack so I'll just say I have a college degree (meaning an education) and you will just have to take my word that I'm not a Marxist as there really isnt any way I can prove or disprove it.


If you are willing to just take some advice... Just don't feed the troll please.

Some times you just need to learn when to take a hit and ignore them. She isn't contributing to the thread, so there is no reason to respond to her.

You on the other hand make some really good posts, so keep posting if you feel so!
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Posted 12/2/15

MattMiller wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:


MattMiller wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:

Wait. You stricter gun laws will help bring down mass shootings? lol what

No person or organization(yes, that includes the government) can really control guns.

Owning and having guns are an inalienable right, under no circumstances can we choose rights for each person. No license is necessary. Etc. if you don't wanna get shot up, bring your own gun.


Amendments can be repealed. Cars are not a right but most people have them. I'm no longer convinced that we need guns as a right any longer, and I say that as a gun owner.


No they can't. The only people who can change the constitution are the ones who written it. Europeans and Moors.

Without both of them present, and with full consciousness and nationality can anyone make any adjustments.

The constitution hasn't been changed in over a century. If it could be repealed, the government would have tried it already, but they can't, so they made another constitution with a similar name.

Tl;dr, anyone who thinks rights can be repealed is probably uneducated or is a Marxist.


Seriously you can, and it involves neither Europeans or Moors. But it could involve a political miracle and a lot of time.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.htm

The 27th amendment became law on May 7 1997. Thus the consitiution was last changed 222 months ago, or 6784 days. All of which are less than a century unless you want to say it has yet to be changed this century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I'm not sure how to respond to your ad hominem attack so I'll just say I have a college degree (meaning an education) and you will just have to take my word that I'm not a Marxist as there really isnt any way I can prove or disprove it.



Marxist is an attack, I guess. And I didn't really mean to call you anything. But let me explain the first thread you missed.

THE U.S. CONSTITUTION/THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, etc. is not the same as:

The American Constitution for the United States of America 1791

Those two constitutions aren't the same ones. One was created by a government and the other by the people. I think that was the only thing I needed to address.
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The problem is not with the second amendment. The problem is drugs are still illegal and we have a sorry excuse for a mental health system in the U.S.

Legalize drugs and regulate them. Yes, there will still be people that will buy illegally, but if the income Colorodo has generated since legalizing marijuana is any indicator, people would buy legally. You could also supply clean needles to people, and thus (hopefully) stem the HIV and Hepatitis infection rate.

As for the mental health system, we need to stop shaming people for having mental issues and provide them the resources they need.
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Dark_Alma wrote:




Seriously you can, and it involves neither Europeans or Moors. But it could involve a political miracle and a lot of time.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.htm

The 27th amendment became law on May 7 1997. Thus the consitiution was last changed 222 months ago, or 6784 days. All of which are less than a century unless you want to say it has yet to be changed this century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I'm not sure how to respond to your ad hominem attack so I'll just say I have a college degree (meaning an education) and you will just have to take my word that I'm not a Marxist as there really isnt any way I can prove or disprove it.


If you are willing to just take some advice... Just don't feed the troll please.

Some times you just need to learn when to take a hit and ignore them. She isn't contributing to the thread, so there is no reason to respond to her.

You on the other hand make some really good posts, so keep posting if you feel so!


You shouldn't try to character assassinate, it won't actually make your narrative any better, it'll only paint you as an authoritarian who advocates censoring for things you don't agree with.

For what could happen to you, see Laughing Witch.

It's not a bright road there.
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dougeprofile wrote:


Shishiku wrote:


dougeprofile wrote:

Execute more criminals ...more swiftly, build and strengthen gutted commitment laws, don't import 100,000 Muslims (who cannot be vetted) at 67k a pop.


Kill people, control people, and exclude people is your solution lol? & Exactly how many of those 352 mass shootings were related to Muslims? Yeah, so if you can find me 10 examples (which I don't think you can even find 5) then you reach a significant .028% of all the shootings. Congratulations.


Not kill people ...execute murderers - there is a difference; control people who are unable our unwilling to control themselves? You bet! (lol) Ever hear of September 11? .028% is more than enough ...if we had only banned air travel September 11 would never have happened! A lot of people have died in Paris ... IslamoNazi terrorists have promised to do the same here, they have promised to infiltrate Syrian refuges (no one is allowed to ask these refugees whether or not they support ISIS!) ...I believe them, THEY believe in that .028% chance.


Sept 11 and Islam has nothing to do with mass gun murders. And they are going to do whatever no matter what we as a country choose to do, so Instead of letting them control our society I say we fix our issues instead of worrying about what they are threatening to do.
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MattMiller wrote:

Start working on the root causes of the problem.

Spend on mental health care, spend on social programs that put people to work and keep them fed. Discus gun control at a national level and what value the second amendment still has. Get the police to stop shooting unarmed people, and stop running from the police. Fix the lack of public defenders and the time they have to serve justice. Stop trying to run government based directly on your religious beliefs and instead use the lessons they teach of making you a better person to make common sense solutions that apply to everyone not just who you rely on to get re-elected.

I think people need to look to our poor and our prisoners and realize we are not helping any of them as we should. There is always going to be bad people but we don't need to create situations where normal people have to be bad by circumstance,



get outta here, that makes too much sense
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But are you really making it harder for the people with motives? I'm unsure so this is a legitimate question, but how many murders or gun violence per year is carried out by Licensed owners in comparison to unlicensed? Gang Violence certainly doesn't have a high rate of licensed owners. The few who snap randomly, like planned parenthood guy, as his attack was clearly not thought out, would it have stopped him from getting a gun? Up until that incident there was no reason to believe he would shoot up a place, and the hate messages he did put out is no more hateful than what people tweet to Bill Nye. "turn to jesus or burn in hell" "wake up sinners you can't save yourself, you will die and worms will eat your flesh". If anything more people than I care to admit would agree to this statement without blinking. Or I guess a better question is what policy in Germany would keep this guy from getting a gun? Because he can get trained, and be even more deadly, I mean the guy waited 57 years to do his first mass shooting. Surely he would have owned a gun before then in Germany. I don't deny that implementing training or keeping things more restricted can help, but I still think the focus on guns vs humans is misplaced. The X factor is the human.

And yep, agree, Texas has a shoot first ask later mentality. When the mass public is so callous towards shooting others it becomes rather hard to have low gun crime lol.
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For me, these mass killings are symptoms of larger problems. If those are meaningfully addressed the rate of violent crime in general should fall dramatically.

First thing I would do is address gang violence. According to the US Bureau of Statistics 50-90% of all crime involving guns is gang related. I would have gangs and drug cartels classified as terrorist organizations. The increased legal and prosecutional options opened by this move should allow them to quickly be dismantled.

Second thing is reform the US medical system in general and mental health in particular. We spend almost twice per person than any country in the world and get much less for it. I am not advocating a single payer system necessarily, but it is an option. Perhaps a hybrid single payer minimum coverage system and a higher quality private insurance option like in Germany. Either way, the mental health system needs overhauled so people who do need help can get it.
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I guess a simple example as I tried (and failed) was just it is 100x easier to get guns to kill people in America than in Germany. I can easily off record get a gun in the USA. No questions asked, just cash. I wont have that luck in Germany. I will have to go on record. If anything, in Germany, it is easier to track the person who did the shooting.

There is always the black market. That exists worldwide and people can get their guns via that. Then again, I put the % of the population that actually knows how to access the black market very low. You have to either:
A) Know people irl who are in the black market business (most people won't admit they deal in this unless you are in the shady gang related stuff you mentioned before).
B) Know how to get onto the deep web and how to get to the black market from there (easier, but many STING sites that make it so the FBI can come in for a nice hello).

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt This is a .gov site, so refutable.

This is an older survey, but well written and easily citable.

-Greater gun availability increases the rates of murder and felony gun use, but does not appear to affect general violence levels. (What we get from this is that the more common guns are the greater the illegal use of them.)

-According to the latest available data, those who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase them directly from licensed dealers; most guns used in crime have been stolen or transferred between individuals after the original purchase. (You have a point here, most are traded illegally. Something needs to be done about this, possibly making the punishment more severe).

-...and restrictive licensing requirements for handgun ownership. (This has proven to lower gun violence rates. This is something I wanted. So while your variable of getting it illegally, making it harder legally lowers the rate too. Working on both will help curb this the most).

There is a lot more, you should take a read. It was very informative, cementing some of both of our beliefs.
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you realize in "other places" they blow each other up right? Like tape C4 to his chest and walk into a place and die. I think it's pretty high but at the same time everywhere has there problem.
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Couldnt give less of a fuck, if you dont want guns thats your business. But under no circumstances will anyone take my rights away for someone elses comfort. Im fine with regulating the process of obtaining weapons, but to take guns away from law abiding citizens is *problematic*.

* See the crime rate for "gun free" zones like Chicago/New York/etc
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Em0SceneStabr wrote:

you realize in "other places" they blow each other up right? Like tape C4 to his chest and walk into a place and die. I think it's pretty high but at the same time everywhere has there problem.


Explosions are generally much less dangerous than guns. With an explosion of a c4 size, once the explosion reaches the first wall of the "human meat shield" the blast dissipates and hurts no one else.
There is also the issue of say what the Boston Marathon Bombers did wrong. When they made their bombs, they made it so they exploded with the majority of the force up, not out.
C4 is a directional charge. It wont go in every direction evenly.

Guns are different though. You can shoot through people, re-aim and shoot more. One of my greatest fears is when ISIS finds out that guns are much more effective than explosions. I mean, look at all the failed bombing attempts. If you have a gun, you are at least taking one down with you.
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MattMiller wrote:
Sept 11 and Islam has nothing to do with mass gun murders. And they are going to do whatever no matter what we as a country choose to do, so Instead of letting them control our society I say we fix our issues instead of worrying about what they are threatening to do.


Not worry, but take seriously - they WANT to have everything to do with mass gun murders; they threatened to take down the twin towers, failed the first time, succeeded the second - again they should be taken seriously.
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