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Couldnt give less of a fuck, if you dont want guns thats your business. But under no circumstances will anyone take my rights away for someone elses comfort. Im fine with regulating the process of obtaining weapons, but to take guns away from law abiding citizens is *problematic*.

* See the crime rate for "gun free" zones like Chicago/New York/etc


* Sees the crime rate for countries like Germany and Scandinavia where gun control is strict *

Getting guns illegally in the USA is far too easy. That is why densely populated areas like New York still have issues with this. Take the equivalent place in the places I mentioned in northern Europe and you will find they are vastly safer.

I am glad you managed to prove my point I made earlier in the thread though!

Stricter gun laws =/= IMA TAKE YUR GUNS AWAY HAR HAR HAR. Seriously. We want stricter laws. We don't want your bloody guns (that is unless the gun you own is illegal, in which you are in deep shit).
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Lol that's your defense and reasoning? Your ignorance knows no bounds my dear uneducated, Islamophobic sir, and with too much ignorance to wade through with I'm going to be picky with how I respond. You didn't specify which criminals first of all, and with our prison system housing nearly half non-violent offenders I felt it was worth making you clarify your intent.

September 11th, you mean the people we trained to fight other Islamic regimes? Yeah, who ever would have guessed our involvement supporting guerrilla-terrorist regimes in the 80's and 90's would backfire? Since 9/11, [Charles Kurzman, Professor of Sociology at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, writing for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and National Security] and his team tallies, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America’s attention killed 66 Americans, “twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,” notes Kurzman’s team. Here is the study from two PhD scholars, one from Chapel Hill and the other from Duke, so big name professors, examining the exaggerated Muslim-terrorism problem. Which you seem to be struck hard with. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

In paris? More people have died in the Middle East, largely thanks to Western influence. Which isn't to say the Paris tragedy is something to shrug off, but your response is rather unintelligent. So sit back old man, and assuming you aren't the jackass you probably are, learn some actual non-biased information that is based in reality rather than paranoid bigotry.

How cute, a religion of peace post - here's an FBI breakdown of terrorism from 1980-2005
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

Out of the statistics, Non-muslims account for 94% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. Soil during that time period. So please do go on telling me all about this Muslim problem because we have been taking in refugees and immigrants that are Muslim for the last 50 years without a rise in the trend of violence or attacks from that group.



Or how about the START Global Terrorism Database that spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and includes 104,000 terrorist incidents. As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

Based on a globalresearch.ca review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, they determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims. In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks. http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/about/

And for a even more thorough analysis and absolute refutation to your entire worldview towards this, feel free to go to my blog and download my 6,000 word, 37 cited sources document in regards to Islamophobia. https://theonlychilddotme.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/islamophobia-the-refugee-crisis/?preview=true&preview_id=72&preview_nonce=8c1c960928&iframe=true

Further Faulty Reasoning

Your complaint that security can't ask if they support ISIS is rather irrelevant, who would say they did anyways? And based on a recent pew poll, over 90% of the Muslim nation in the Middle East, apart from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, were highly negative towards ISIS.

You're worried about few, extreme instances rather than the onslaught of death that occurs elsewhere in society lol? How cute.
Comparing the CDC numbers to terrorism deaths means (keep in mind that – from here to the end of the piece – we are consistently and substantially understating the risk of other causes of death as compared to terrorism, because we are comparing deaths from various causes within the United States against deaths from terrorism worldwide):

– You are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

– You are 33,842 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack


Wikipedia notes that obesity is a a contributing factor in 100,000–400,000 deaths in the United States per year. That makes obesity 5,882 to times 23,528 more likely to kill you than a terrorist.

The annual number of deaths in the U.S. due to avoidable medical errors is as high as 100,000. Indeed, one of the world’s leading medical journals – Lancet – reported in 2011: A November, 2010, document from the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services reported that, when in hospital, one in seven beneficiaries of Medicare (the government-sponsored health-care programme for those aged 65 years and older) have complications from medical errors, which contribute to about 180 000 deaths of patients per year. That’s just Medicare beneficiaries, not the entire American public. Scientific American noted in 2009: Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation. And a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety says the numbers may be up to 440,000 each year. But let’s use the lower – 100,000 – figure. That still means that you are 5,882 times more likely to die from medical error than terrorism. The CDC says that some 80,000 deaths each year are attributable to excessive alcohol use. So you’re 4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death than die from terrorism.

And so when you die of whatever cause, and it has nothing to do with Muslims, die feeling shitty.
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I was talking about this with my coworkers today, very concerning. I feel many on the right don't take this seriously enough and a discussion always turns to "Your'e not taking my guns away". This will never go away, the laws will never change. Also, people know this is a way to make people suffer and get media recognition. This will always be an outlet for crazies who want to be remembered.
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Which the argument of ease of access or more or less a time delay due to the process required rather than an actual decrease in the amount of gun ownership, correct? So my counter point is that if I want to kill you, yes in America it may require less time and be done at greater ease, but if I really want to kill you I'm not going to mind biding my time until I can cap you; however, I'm not saying that I disagree that restricting the ease of access and purchase is one way to potentially decrease some events, but not those who are legitimately intent on committing a large scale crime like a mass shooting.

And I disagree, I'm not exactly black market savvy, yet I know a few websites I could get full auto weapons, grenades. The internet is an easy place to navigate for us younger generation so I'm not so high to cast off anyone else's ability to find the same things as I am. & EVERYONE knew about the Silk Road before it got shut down. I learned about that in High School....

you think .gov sites are more refutable than others? From my experience they can be some of the hardest to refute, as they have some of the best data collecting agencies and methods available. I typically trust most government statistical data. & I will certainly give it a thorough read. I enjoy data sets. But seeing that most gun crimes are done by non-licensed or illegally transferred guns is why I'm pretty much saying restricting access would not do as much to curb it as I believe you feel it would, although i don't disagree. I think for your society to be idealized it would have to not be the norm to have a gun in the house, and with gun culture so deeply rooted, and how large in area our nation is - good luck lol.
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IMO, stricter gun laws or banning guns outright will not solve the problem. All it does is create more helpless victims.

Look at where virtually every mass shooting has happened. Gun free zones in usually strict gun control states. You'll never hear of a mass shooting happening in Constitutional carry states like Alaska and Vermont.

Also, look at the timeline of mass shootings compared with laws passed that restricted gun owners. Before the 1980s, mass shootings were few and very far in-between. In the 90s to today, when they actually passed MORE gun laws, there's been a far greater occurrence in mass shootings and violent crimes in general. This is a correlation that cannot be overlooked.

Keep in mind mass shooters are not looking for a fight. They're the equivalent of corner campers trying to rack up the highest kill count in the easiest way possible. The moment they encounter resistance, most either surrender or off themselves.

Mass shootings are not a gun problem. They're a social problem. And most definitely a problem with the shooters generally having mental issues or some kind of political agenda.
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In my University papers, we are only allowed to cite Scientific Journals, .gov, .edu, .org sites. Anything else is considered irrefutable.

Something I would like to ask you about. Yes if you reaaaaally want to kill me you will wait those days. How often have humans made mistakes in the heat of the moment though? Someone I loved got depressed and killed herself in the heat of the moment. I am sure if I had managed to get down to her place in time (long drive), I may have been able to tide her over for the day. Long story short... Many murders are done in the heat of the moment, when emotions are high. Make it so they have to cool down for 2-3 days before they do this... a lot of them can be avoided. Hell, I have made enough mistakes I would have never made if I could have just cooled down! I wouldn't have cut my lifespan in half =p You are right, for large scale murders, it will not do too much. That would have to come with better tracking of weapons. Calling it now. We need: Big Brother is Watching You . *Joke* Though it would def curb crime!

The younger generation does get around the internet better, but they are also much more prone to STING operations. I have also only met 2 other people who know how to access the deep web in the time I have been around that stuff. I have also only met about 12 people who can properly hack (I don't mean DDoS'ing and stuff like that. Easy to pay someone to do that). While many of the younger generation are good with basic technology... They lack in the harder stuff. Just ask a random kid to navigate Command Promp. It would be fun! I learned most of my stuff from my father for good use as he had a Master's in Computer Science. I know a good bit more than the average Joe.

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IMO, stricter gun laws or banning guns outright will not solve the problem. All it does is create more helpless victims.

Look at where virtually every mass shooting has happened. Gun free zones in usually strict gun control states. You'll never hear of a mass shooting happening in Constitutional carry states like Alaska and Vermont.

Also, look at the timeline of mass shootings compared with laws passed that restricted gun owners. Before the 1980s, mass shootings were few and very far in-between. In the 90s to today, when they actually passed MORE gun laws, there's been a far greater occurrence in mass shootings and violent crimes in general. This is a correlation that cannot be overlooked.

Keep in mind mass shooters are not looking for a fight. They're the equivalent of corner campers trying to rack up the highest kill count in the easiest way possible. The moment they encounter resistance, most either surrender or off themselves.

Mass shootings are not a gun problem. They're a social problem. And most definitely a problem with the shooters generally having mental issues or some kind of political agenda.


Most of the places in the USA with the highest gun murders per 100,000 people is Southern states with the free carry ideal. A lot of the lower murder rates per 100,000 are a lot of the places in New England. They usualy have better background checks.

Can I ask you why countries that always had strict gun laws (Most of Asia, Northern Europe) have some of the lowest gun crime? Is it just that the USA has less moral people while the other places have a higher stand of Morals? If so, where does this lack or morals come from? What is the social aspect that you believe makes mass shootings commonplace here? Is it the idolization of guns? The love of religion? I would like a little more clarity.
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Dark_Alma wrote:


Flexecute wrote:

IMO, stricter gun laws or banning guns outright will not solve the problem. All it does is create more helpless victims.

Look at where virtually every mass shooting has happened. Gun free zones in usually strict gun control states. You'll never hear of a mass shooting happening in Constitutional carry states like Alaska and Vermont.

Also, look at the timeline of mass shootings compared with laws passed that restricted gun owners. Before the 1980s, mass shootings were few and very far in-between. In the 90s to today, when they actually passed MORE gun laws, there's been a far greater occurrence in mass shootings and violent crimes in general. This is a correlation that cannot be overlooked.

Keep in mind mass shooters are not looking for a fight. They're the equivalent of corner campers trying to rack up the highest kill count in the easiest way possible. The moment they encounter resistance, most either surrender or off themselves.

Mass shootings are not a gun problem. They're a social problem. And most definitely a problem with the shooters generally having mental issues or some kind of political agenda.


Most of the places in the USA with the highest gun murders per 100,000 people is Southern states with the free carry ideal. A lot of the lower murder rates per 100,000 are a lot of the places in New England. They usualy have better background checks.

Can I ask you why countries that always had strict gun laws (Most of Asia, Northern Europe) have some of the lowest gun crime? Is it just that the USA has less moral people while the other places have a higher stand of Morals? If so, where does this lack or morals come from? What is the social aspect that you believe makes mass shootings commonplace here? Is it the idolization of guns? The love of religion? I would like a little more clarity.


Poverty plays a huge role in murder rates. The southern states are among the poorest with little to no change to social structure down there, so murder rates, regardless of gun or any other method, will remain high. Like I said, look at wealthy states like Alaska and Vermont which have Constitutional carry. Murder by any method is few and far in-between here.

Violent crime rates in China are FAR higher than they're reporting. There's been an incident where several people were attacked with knives at a train station. There's also high incidents of rape and kidnapping of women due to the disproportionate male to female ratio caused by the One Child Policy.

Whi'le we're talking about strict gun laws in Europe, explain how Britain's rate of violence is so much higher than the US despite having few to no guns. France is also seen as an anti-gun utopia, but that didn't stop the massacre at Charlie Hebdo or the more recent one of late.

Also, lets not forget California is the gun control capital of the US, yet shit like this happened. Goes to show you that no matter what kind of laws are passed, the world is a dangerous place, and your best method of protection is to have a gun by your side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NrTZPXCDo
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I prefer peer reviewed literature and meta-analyses myself. I don't typically cite sources I don't think holds academic integrity, and not to brag *cough* but I did win an undergraduate conference writing contest. What are you majoring in?

Maybe for that day you could have saved her, but at that point it still is the human that is the problem. Depression, when it amounts to suicide, is something mental health professionals struggle to help their patients cope with. And what's to say that at that point, in cases of self inflicted injury, that any other way might be suitable? I had a friend that hung herself. No gun needed there.

And I'm not sure I agree "many murders are done in the heat of the moment" - but here is a good piece that kind of frames my mindset around this as well. http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6061&context=jclc Mainly in that,

"The most basic finding of the present study-murderers who
failed on parole had demonstrated less self-control
in the commission of their crimes-is in line with
the theory that impulsiveness contributes to both
violent crime and parole failure. Yet there were
differences in these relationships when only murderers
were considered rather than a cross-section
of all types of violent criminals."

So again, I think it is more teaching people how to deal with "the heat of the moment" - and educating them in ways to cool down rather than acting on impulse; although I agree not being able to waltz into wal-mart and buy a gun would at least to a degree decrease the rates and would detour some. bleh, i'm not super savvy with that. My best friend, and current roomie use to be a big hacker when we were growing up.
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dragontackle wrote:

Couldnt give less of a fuck, if you dont want guns thats your business. But under no circumstances will anyone take my rights away for someone elses comfort. Im fine with regulating the process of obtaining weapons, but to take guns away from law abiding citizens is *problematic*.

* See the crime rate for "gun free" zones like Chicago/New York/etc


* Sees the crime rate for countries like Germany and Scandinavia where gun control is strict *

Getting guns illegally in the USA is far too easy. That is why densely populated areas like New York still have issues with this. Take the equivalent place in the places I mentioned in northern Europe and you will find they are vastly safer.

I am glad you managed to prove my point I made earlier in the thread though!

Stricter gun laws =/= IMA TAKE YUR GUNS AWAY HAR HAR HAR. Seriously. We want stricter laws. We don't want your bloody guns (that is unless the gun you own is illegal, in which you are in deep shit).


Eh, One of my guns are illegal.
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dragontackle wrote:

Couldnt give less of a fuck, if you dont want guns thats your business. But under no circumstances will anyone take my rights away for someone elses comfort. Im fine with regulating the process of obtaining weapons, but to take guns away from law abiding citizens is *problematic*.

* See the crime rate for "gun free" zones like Chicago/New York/etc


* Sees the crime rate for countries like Germany and Scandinavia where gun control is strict *

Getting guns illegally in the USA is far too easy. That is why densely populated areas like New York still have issues with this. Take the equivalent place in the places I mentioned in northern Europe and you will find they are vastly safer.

I am glad you managed to prove my point I made earlier in the thread though!

Stricter gun laws =/= IMA TAKE YUR GUNS AWAY HAR HAR HAR. Seriously. We want stricter laws. We don't want your bloody guns (that is unless the gun you own is illegal, in which you are in deep shit).


FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

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NOPE.

Fuck off, it's my god damn RIGHT.
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dragontackle wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:


dragontackle wrote:

Couldnt give less of a fuck, if you dont want guns thats your business. But under no circumstances will anyone take my rights away for someone elses comfort. Im fine with regulating the process of obtaining weapons, but to take guns away from law abiding citizens is *problematic*.

* See the crime rate for "gun free" zones like Chicago/New York/etc


* Sees the crime rate for countries like Germany and Scandinavia where gun control is strict *

Getting guns illegally in the USA is far too easy. That is why densely populated areas like New York still have issues with this. Take the equivalent place in the places I mentioned in northern Europe and you will find they are vastly safer.

I am glad you managed to prove my point I made earlier in the thread though!

Stricter gun laws =/= IMA TAKE YUR GUNS AWAY HAR HAR HAR. Seriously. We want stricter laws. We don't want your bloody guns (that is unless the gun you own is illegal, in which you are in deep shit).


Eh, One of my guns are illegal.


These two guns are illegal as hell!




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Ah, Scientific Journals are peer reviewed! I am a Geologist major, with a minor in Mathematics. I am currently working on the area of Tectonic spreading between the Eurasia plate and the North American plate. Fun stuff. What major are you? ON TOPIC.

I would say your quote helps what I was saying. Less self-control makes you lash out in the moment. One of the reasons I was arrested to many times! I had no self control!

Now, people do need to learn how to deal with "the heat of the moment." It took me 18 years to learn that! I will need to read that paper later. My mind really had a hard time reading that writing style. The style I read is usually vastly different!
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For safety... I will just move to Germany. I will be safe there!!

I can agree with poverty playing a large role in crime. I worked at a city pool in the ghettos. I saw so much shit go down it wasn't even funny. I don't think I will ever swim in a city pool again, I will tell you that! Floating "see men" if you get my drift.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state Toggle this to sort by violence rate.

You will find Alaska is much more violent than you tended to believe. The top 10 states with strict gun controls... 7 of the 10 were safer than Alaska. Vermont is an exception. Then again, you need to add in the wealth of the area. New England is wealthy... so less crime for the most part.

Sorry for the disjointed post. I am starting to get a massive headache. I need to go for the night.
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The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

“Most felons report obtaining the majority of their firearms from informal sources,” adds the report, while “stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals.”

So you want to make 500,000-3,000,000 people victims each year in order to give you a false sense of security?

Should we also sterilize people if their neighbours have too many kids while were at it?
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