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Gun Control Vs Gun Rights. (Which Is Reasonable?)
Posted 12/3/15

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Urboistar wrote: Get rekt, scrublord
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Lol what the hell
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Urboistar wrote:Lol what the hell
it was all perfect...
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Posted 12/3/15
I think letting people go on their merry way certainly isn't fixing anything.

After a shooting, people just have the same debate and nothing ends up getting done. Repeat forever.

I don't claim to know which solution will stip these shootings but it's pretty clear that what we're doing now is ineffective or insufficient. As with any change, there's a risk of worsening the issue, but we need to be able to visualize the long-term effects so we can reach that goal. If we don't change anything, we keep suffering this unacceptable damage.
Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15

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Urboistar wrote:Lol what the hell
it was all perfect...
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That was beautiful.
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Posted 12/3/15

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Enjoy debating about such stuff? On a site most people won't even bat an eyelash at? I mean I guess if its all fun and games.


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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15
People should concern themselves with the root cause of the problems that arise from this. Guns are just objects and whether anyone likes it or not, they aren't going anywhere ever. America isn't going to remove them. The laws aren't necessarily bad with how they're setup right now, but the enforcement of them when purchasing, background checks, etc, is just awful. It's also too easy to get a license. All I had to do was fill a form out, answer a couple of questions and pay a small fee. Boom! License acquired. You'd think a class or something would be required. At least then you know the person will be educated on them to a degree.

I own plenty of them, grew up in an environment where nearly everyone had one, including criminals and children, yet I turned out fine. Personal responsibility and proper training/education go a long way. You have people on the left saying we need stricter laws or to ban them, but also those on the right who think they should be allowed everywhere regardless of the type of gun it is. Both sides are pretty clueless honestly and rarely see eye to eye on this issue.

As I said before though, fix the root problem. Otherwise anything done from a legislation standpoint will be a moot point.
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15
I think the gun debate is no win situation. You try to control it you make easy targets especially for organized crime since they can get guns easy regardless. If there is no control then lowlife unorganized criminals can get guns as well making it dangerous as well...

So you gotta ask yourself would you rather be sitting ducks for the more dangerous criminals or arm more criminals in an effort to protect yourselves because those are the only destinations at the end of this road.
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15
^yeah more guns more chance of in wrong hands or minds (some think of their own gun all the time and goes a bit nuts and at some point ueses it, like having it on the wall and you know its there vs a guy used to guns thinking its more like any other object like a knife could be worse and worse killin method for most people)
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Posted 12/3/15

Urboistar wrote:


C0mlink wrote:





I can take her




Freddy96NO wrote:


Urboistar wrote:Lol what the hell
it was all perfect...
CPT "what is the C.P.T?"



That was beautiful.




it gets here when it gets here you Muthu fukas.
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Posted 12/3/15

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^yeah more guns more chance of in wrong hands or minds (some think of their own gun all the time and goes a bit nuts and at some point ueses it, like having it on the wall and you know its there vs a guy used to guns thinking its more like any other object like a knife could be worse and worse killin method for most people)


Yeah but I was also saying less guns and you make yourself a target for organized crime who can get guns weather or not there are laws to stop them. Its dangerous to both control and not control... A no win situation.
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15

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Urboistar wrote:

Why do people make threads like this on a site meant for people to watch anime? It doesn't really matter what any of us think, say, or cite.


Because extended discussion was merged with General Discussion.


This is true, but what I'm getting at is this stuff doesn't matter. People come in and talk smart like what they say will make a difference. I won't lie, people impress me with what they say but that's all that's happening. Nothing is changing, and nothing is being done.


Well, mostly it's the demographic, which consists of teens who want to be as Angry as they don't get the chance to be in real life, as Like, Deep For the First Time as they don't get the chance to be in real life, as Aware of Today's Relevant Fear-Headlines as they don't get the chance to be in real life, or as U Mad, Bro? as they don't get the chance to be in real life. (Check the ages on the more off-topic threads, and see what you find.)
So it is sort of like anime, in that it's all Internet Cosplay.

As for gun control, one of the other posters' "They had to write two Constitutions!" bit in another thread ( ) did bring up some discussion about how the Articles of Confederation segued into the first united Constitution before 1789.
Before then, state militias had to take care of all national defense--we didn't have international warships to fight in England or France--and the first Virginia state constitution was very clear on legally outlining what consisted being in an actual colonially-sanctioned State Militia (before they were eventually replaced by the National Guard), and what consisted of just getting liquored up with your buddies every weekend and playing around with your musket rifle.
Hence the confusing 18th-century 2nd Amendment term about being "Necessary to defense". (Which every gun nut, who immediately trots out the Ralphie's Red Ryder BB Rifle fantasy of "I could have saved everybody!" after every mass shooting, wishfully misinterprets.)
I'll leave it to someone else to dig up the Virginia source, though, a dozen other people probably have the link.
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Posted 12/3/15
This most recent shooter registered his guns and went through California's draconian gun laws yet nothing bad showed up. France has even worse gun control and you know what happened there. Gun control does nothing to stop shootings.
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/4/15
In 2013, America had ~16.000 homicides. ~11,500 were firearm related deaths (this means shot).
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm <-- Center for Disease control official

America's gun related homicides in the past decade are more than every single first world country combined (excluding China, Russia).
All of the other first world countries have stricter gun control than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Let me address some common arguments that oppose gun control things.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." -
From the statistic above, let me say that guns make it way too easy to kill people, so should be moderately regulated.

"We need guns to protect ourselves." -
Most people die from guns. When attacked, it is rarely the case that a firearm can be withdrawn quickly enough to effectively protect the user. In shooting incidents, gun carriers are often shot before they can ever draw their weapon.

"If you take away guns, only the bad guys will have them." -
Take for instance England, or Australia. Their regulations are very strict, and very few (compared to the U.S.) own firearms. Gun deaths in these countries amounted to less than 100 combined in 2013. It is true that bad people will find ways, but if it is more difficult, it will not be that many of them,

"Shootings happen in gun free zones." -
A zone is declared 'gun free', and when a firearm enters that zone, it isn't. That aside, there were concealed carry individuals at many of the 'gun free' zones in which mass shootings took place in. For example, a shooting in an Oregon University had at least 3 concealed carry members, all of whom did nothing to stop the shooter, saying 'I'll protect myself, but I can't run into the line of fire', and 'the police could mistake me for the shooter'.

"It's our right." -
I'm all for rights... until they hurt people, or kill them. Then I think it's time to consider moderation. I think it's my right to a physically safe country, in which I do not have to fear being shot because you can buy an automatic weapon with extended magazines or a concealed carry weapon. I shouldn't have to be at the whim of those who can afford guns, and aren't afraid to use them. So, people's right to life (not potentially to be killed), or people's right to guns?

Having said all that, I am in no way opposed utterly to guns. I think automatic weapons and concealed weapons should be left to the police, and have no place in civilian hands, among regular guys. Hunting, marksmanship, and other sport is totally okay with me, and the weapons appropriate for these sports is okay. I don't feel that firearms should ever be turned on your fellow Americans, for any reason. When people turn firearms on each other, mass shootings happen, people get killed. I think that sums it up enough.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final
http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/defining_moments/featured/port_arthur_massacre
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/oregon-college-shooting/debate-confusion-over-oregons-gun-rules-after-deadly-shooting-n437966
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