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Gun Control Vs Gun Rights. (Which Is Reasonable?)
Posted 12/3/15
Batshit crazy insane nazi communist feminist liberal leftist democrats, next they're gonna try and take our spoons away, and then, AND THEN they'll try to tell us when we can and can't poop, those bastards, hang them, kill them, we should all shoot them, damn it, they took our guns, groooooowl.
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Ejanss wrote: (Which every gun nut, who immediately trots out the Ralphie's Red Ryder BB Rifle fantasy of "I could have saved everybody!" after every mass shooting, wishfully misinterprets.)


Insanerino wrote:"Shootings happen in gun free zones." -
A zone is declared 'gun free', and when a firearm enters that zone, it isn't. That aside, there were concealed carry individuals at many of the 'gun free' zones in which mass shootings took place in. For example, a shooting in an Oregon University had at least 3 concealed carry members, all of whom did nothing to stop the shooter, saying 'I'll protect myself, but I can't run into the line of fire', and 'the police could mistake me for the shooter'.


THIS, as in "THIS is where fantasy meets reality."

The gun nuts are so caught up in their movie/TV and news-fear inspired images of being the action-movie hero to take out the Bad Man (who's probably a foreigner) with a single shot, they aren't aware of the confusion and chaos that can happen in a mass shooting incident.
The mass shooter isn't going out there with a little .22 "purse gun", they're usually going out there with military hardware because they know how to use it and where to get it. Even if you concealed a Magnum, just like Dirty Harry, you very likely wouldn't get a clear shot before he could get five or six on you, and good luck to get even half of "Make my day..." out before he did. (And "Feel lucky, punk?" would come out more like "Ff...!")
And again, that's without having the police turn you into a casualty in all the confusion. There is that little factor of "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem", and in an incident, bullets flying about hitting innocent people is the Problem.
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C0mlink wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Urboistar wrote:

Why do people make threads like this on a site meant for people to watch anime? It doesn't really matter what any of us think, say, or cite.


Because extended discussion was merged with General Discussion.


well its because people want to take about stuff when commercials are on. and i believe in the right to bear arms. so if the government ever decides to pull an adolf hitler all the citizens are armed. it is also a good defense, we are very unlikely to be outright invaded if all citizens are armed.

the flip side: bad people can get guns.

So if you make it harder to get guns then it just means the bad people who get guns just have to do a couple more bad things to get guns


Right to bear arms actually states that originally it was to have a militia to fight. We now have that, and more. Not only that, the right to bear arms also requires unpaid military training. Japan/Germany/France/Italy/Canada all have guns banned and the homicide from guns is around 500 annually, while as America has over 10,000 a year. That says something. Although even with all of that, nothing has been done. Why? Because it has not effected the those people, and until then, nothing will change.

Though crime will always exist. Why? because the cruel and usual punishment exist. Foretell, if any crime is done you are given the death penalty, I'm sure a lot of people would be less prone to do crime.

So no guns or far more strict punishment for crime(death penalty)?

Crap, alluding to death note.
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Posted 12/3/15
As a non-us citizen, I must sat the NRA is not a sound bunch of people.

Taken from the wiki:
In November 2005, the NRA and other gun advocates filed a lawsuit challenging San Francisco Proposition H, which banned the ownership and sales of firearms. The NRA argued that the proposition overstepped local government authority and intruded into an area regulated by the state. The San Francisco County Superior Court agreed with the NRA position

Just that, wow.
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15

MrFakeHero wrote:


C0mlink wrote:
well its because people want to take about stuff when commercials are on. and i believe in the right to bear arms. so if the government ever decides to pull an adolf hitler all the citizens are armed. it is also a good defense, we are very unlikely to be outright invaded if all citizens are armed.


("Emergency!...Everybody to get from street!" )


Right to bear arms actually states that originally it was to have a militia to fight. We now have that, and more. Not only that, the right to bear arms also requires unpaid military training.


In fact, that was the very thought and public lunacy that created the 2nd Amendment:
Nobody in the 18th-cty. had a clear idea of how one federal government would "unite" states that were used to being independent--not to mention that every historical democracy up to that point had eventually been taken over by dictators, and France was beginning to look not that stable either--and the more fear-mongering Right (including Patrick Henry) were spinning nightmare scenarios that once one central Constitution was in place, "the new King George" would immediately march his new Federal Army down Main Street and snatch the guns away from the good, patriotic, state-defending First Vermont Volunteers.
Thus, the Amendment was put in easing fears about no, we're not going to dissolve the State Militias, even though that is what eventually happened--Although because of obsolescence, not "tyranny".

So, pretty much, It was paranoid then, and as you can see, it's still paranoid now. Not that much changes in two hundred and twenty years, but, it's not like things do, for them.
(Oh, and Hitler started out as a publicly-disgruntled private coup, but we'll leave that cliche'-nitpicking for another time.)
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/4/15
This again? I agree with Dave Chapelle: Let us have all the guns we want, but make the bullets ridiculously expensive... About $5000 for 1 bullet sounds great... I promise you people will think twice about shooting someone if they have to spend a minimum of five grand to do it XD
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No guns will not help. if someone wants to kill a large amount of people. they will do it. if you make guns illegal then only criminals will have them.
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and then when war breaks out, and the government has to pay 5000 a shot. while the terrorists got them at a bargain price of reality. you can ban the production of weapons in you own land, but what happens when other lands are not so understanding
Posted 12/3/15

C0mlink wrote:


and then when war breaks out, and the government has to pay 5000 a shot. while the terrorists got them at a bargain price of reality. you can ban the production of weapons in you own land, but what happens when other lands are not so understanding


Can't government do subsidy magic or something?
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Posted 12/3/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


C0mlink wrote:


and then when war breaks out, and the government has to pay 5000 a shot. while the terrorists got them at a bargain price of reality. you can ban the production of weapons in you own land, but what happens when other lands are not so understanding


Can't government do subsidy magic or something?


Like they do with money itself? lol

Fuck it. I don't see why not.
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Posted 12/3/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


C0mlink wrote:


and then when war breaks out, and the government has to pay 5000 a shot. while the terrorists got them at a bargain price of reality. you can ban the production of weapons in you own land, but what happens when other lands are not so understanding


Can't government do subsidy magic or something?


well they could but for magic of that scale they might need to rent the magic points in at least five other countries to get the proper size of magic circle.
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Posted 12/3/15
I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smell like rainbow sherbert XD
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Posted 12/3/15 , edited 12/3/15

dotsforlife wrote:

People should concern themselves with the root cause of the problems that arise from this. Guns are just objects and whether anyone likes it or not, they aren't going anywhere ever. America isn't going to remove them. The laws aren't necessarily bad with how they're setup right now, but the enforcement of them when purchasing, background checks, etc, is just awful. It's also too easy to get a license. All I had to do was fill a form out, answer a couple of questions and pay a small fee. Boom! License acquired. You'd think a class or something would be required. At least then you know the person will be educated on them to a degree.

I own plenty of them, grew up in an environment where nearly everyone had one, including criminals and children, yet I turned out fine. Personal responsibility and proper training/education go a long way. You have people on the left saying we need stricter laws or to ban them, but also those on the right who think they should be allowed everywhere regardless of the type of gun it is. Both sides are pretty clueless honestly and rarely see eye to eye on this issue.

As I said before though, fix the root problem. Otherwise anything done from a legislation standpoint will be a moot point.


I miss the days when the majority of the population were moderates who probably would agree with you on this. Unfortunately social media has caused most people to flock to the fringes, and now it's more about trying to be on the "correct side" of the issue and place as much blame as possible on others than to take a step back and try to come up with reasonable solutions.

It also doesn't help that the 24 hour news cycle makes problems that are actually statistically improving lately seem instead like we're trapped in a death spiral of terribleness. Millennials seriously think we're in the end times right now or something, and are collectively going insane because of it.
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Posted 12/3/15
hahah Comments are more interesting than the debate itself which i honestly also dont care about
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