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Well, there've been a lot of "GOVEGAN" ads around town, and they do basically say that meat is murder and eating it is cruel to animals, specifically designed to make you feel like you're the problem. They single out meat eaters and have ridiculous captions on pictures of animals like "my life means as much to me as yours does to you".

Lolno

And because feminism TELLS me I'm a predator. It doesn't imply it. Doesn't say it softly. It outright says, "there's a problem with white males/toxic masculinity/rape culture and we need to solve it!!11!!". They've literally made "Consent classes" *MANDATORY* for *ALL* males in certain colleges/universities regardless of criminal history. That's like having a "Teach n**gers not to steal" class or a "Teach women not to drown their babies" class.

We know that shit's illegal, which is why 99%+ DON'T DO IT, and you think that means a "rape culture" exists? What are you, some kind of child? Do you want "Teach people not to murder" class as well because YEAH THAT'LL STOP MURDER. I, along with most people, was raised with morals. Treat others how you'd like to be treated, don't hurt others mentally or physically, don't do anything to someone without their consent. That's how most people are raised, but you know what? Some of them still do those things. People still murder, still hurl abuse at people, still commit rape. That's because there's something wrong with that SMALL MINORITY of people. What's your solution? Brainwashing? Re-education? Are you fucking joking?

There are things out there you can't solve by singling out groups of people. "Teach Muslims not to be terrorist" for example would only breed more Islamic extremists, so what makes you think singling out men is going to "solve rape culture", because let me tell you something, it hasn't, it doesn't, and it won't.

Also, as a finishing statement, no real man would ever hurt a woman. This constant attack on masculinity and manhood is creating a generation of men who don't feel masculine, don't feel like they should be supportive, and often we see these men become violent, abusive and they do horrible things. Maybe if we taught men to be fun and boisterous and hard-working, but also be courteous and caring, rather than just screaming at them "DON'T RAPE OMG TOXIC MASCULINITY"... Things would be better. But alas, I'm just a cishet white male.
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Also, as a finishing statement, no real man would ever hurt a woman. This constant attack on masculinity and manhood is creating a generation of men who don't feel masculine, don't feel like they should be supportive, and often we see these men become violent, abusive and they do horrible things. Maybe if we taught men to be fun and boisterous and hard-working, but also be courteous and caring, rather than just screaming at them "DON'T RAPE OMG TOXIC MASCULINITY"... Things would be better. But alas, I'm just a cishet white male.


No real man would ever hurt a woman? Seems like a no true Scotsman but alas I wont push it. What I will push is your belief that hurting a woman is always wrong. If a woman comes at me with a knife I'm going to fight for my life and attempt to hurt her until she has slit my throat or I have disarmed her. Furthermore my qualifications of being a "man" go like this, have an XY sex chromosome. No idea why people need to make this whole "YOU NEED TO DO THIS TO BE A MAN" filth.




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I went in this thread expecting it to be made by a girl. WHY DO YOU LIE TO ME?!


SAME DAMMIT!

What they said.

Seconded. Or thirded. Or fourthed. Fifthed. I don't know. I didn't check the next pages.
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I'm just gonna go find a small unclaimed island and make my own country so I don't have to deal with any of this. It'll be called SIMtopia, population me and only me... trespassers will be blown up because it's my country and I have access to that artillery in my country.
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Why would feminism make you feel like a predator unless you are one? It's as if you have a guilty conscience.


The forced consent classes that some have to attend would do this. You're not from the US so I don't know that state of things over there.

They basically gather up men, and tell them in no uncertain terms that any of them could effectively rape someone at any moment. It's humiliating and patronizing. They've used excuses from scumbags that *did* know better (anyone saying they didn't know doing stuff to someone unconscious is rape is a damn liar) to effectively force all responsibility solely on men. This leads to impossible standards like requiring signed consent, constant affirmative consent (like that's obtainable), etc. Furthermore, these items are mostly worthless. The signed documents could be claimed under duress thus disregarded or she could argue she withdrew consent even though she hadn't. This allows the kangaroo court to tell men they knew better and assume guilt which throws them off campus without a criminal trial. It's become the fact that men are assumed guilty just by being men on campus.


Ask someone that has had to deal with verbal abuse regularly about self-esteem, then I think you may get it.

If people called you worthless every day for a month straight how would you feel? Now imagine being forced into these classes, constantly being harassed on a campus because clearly you're still an idiot to them, and generally force fed that your gender is "toxic"? Equally, if you bring these issues up you're now called a rape apologist, suspected or future offender, etc. Oh, and remember - if men make an accusation of unwanted advances or anything of the sort they will be laughed at and any case tossed because they should 'man up'.

Current third wave feminism has never once stood up for men on anything ever. You want to know why the MRA movement popped up? Because they were sick of being told they would fix men's problems after theirs were fixed. If you keep pulling issues out of thin air it will never happen, which is calculated and intended. Egalitarians popped up as they were tired of BS from both sides and just want an even opportunity on the playing field of life.
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Oh boy another thread about how awful feminism is.

Okay first off I stand by Affirmative Action giving money to people who are disenfranchised is fine especially given fields like Science are not exactly that open to females.


In college, seeing signs from the feminist society has made me feel inferior, like I'm a problem, like I'm ridden with original sin and need to be cleansed. Whether it's signs saying "YOU ASKED HER FOR CONSENT, RIGHT?" or "I SHOULDN'T BE SCARED WHEN WALKING ALONE AT NIGHT.", it makes me and other guys I know feel like predators. It's not as bad as I see in other countries, where guys my age are forced to attend "consent classes", where laws are passed making prosecution of rape "Guilty until proven innocent" or "total, affirmative ongoing consent during sexual contact", the latter of which I agree with, but what constitutes consent? Verbal? How can that be proven? Recording it? I know guys that are afraid to initiate sexual contact without recording what happens for fear of being accused of rape, and we're not even one of those countries.


...Have you actually seen any cases about sexual assault. Its really hard to prove sexual assault and get a conviction.

Secondly "feminist society" making you feel like a problem. Bruh come on. Your complaining about feminists being oversensitive about things and there need for "safe spaces" and simple signs about sexual assault bother you.

Shows photo of Dawkins who once proudly said "that its immoral not abort babies with down syndrome"


I want to know how you feel about it, especially if you're a guy. We can't keep allowing authoritarian actions like banning criticism, forcing people to take "consent classes" or forcing companies not to export "disrespectful video games". We need to think long and hard about what feminism is doing to the world, that it's not infallible, that it's consistently causing trouble in the developed world.


Not gonna engage with any of this because ive said my piece on this a billion times over. But yes I think consent classes are a very important thing and no "SJW" ever forced a company not to export video games. Thats the company not having any guts or its not gonna make any money.

Ends by posting a video by Milo a truly illustrious man who has done great things such as

1. not pay his fucking writers (ethical)

2. Blamed video games for Elliot Rodgers mass shooting

3. Said Trans people are "mentally ill"

Damn seems like a trustworthy dude I should follow.
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I used to consider myself as a feminist, but due to the actions of Anita Sarkizeein, Zoe Quin, and various other so called "feminists", I now consider myself an "equalist". I'm also a "True Anti-bigot" or "TAB" (which should not be confused with SJWs since while there are some similarities between the two, TABs are generally more reasonable and less hypocritical than SJWs).

Anyways, I made some observations about modern "feminists"/Fem-Nazis/SJWs/so-called "activists"/etc., and have come to the conclusion that they tend to fall into one (or sometimes more) of five categories:

1. Attention Seekers: These people make mountains out of molehills simply because they want their 15 minutes of fame (or in extreme cases, they want money from a lawsuit). They complain about the smallest of things. In many cases, their actions prove that they are either hypocritical and/or not truly devoted to "the cause".

2. Revengists: These people want revenge on a certain group of people for what their ancestors have done in the past. An example of this are "Feminists"/Fem-Nazis who believe that because Men have had power and have oppressed women for hundreds or even thousands of years, that it is time women to gain power and oppress Men in revenge. The problem is that these Revengists don't just take out their anger on actual bigots, they go after everybody in the group including innocent/non-bigoted ones. The irony of this is that by doing this, the Revengists pretty much become bigots themselves.

3. Control Freaks: Basically, they want control over the government and/or society itself. They use civil rights as a means to an end to gain control.

4. Ultra Paranoid: These people believe that if they let up on their civil rights crusades, then bigots will eventually regain control of the government/society and undo everything that civil rights activist have worked for and that women/blacks/gay/other minorities will loose their rights and become oppressed again. These people generally mean well, but their paranoia is so great that they can sometimes see bigotry where there isn't any.

5. Karma Houdini Hunters: These people believe that bigotry is evil and believe that most bigots are karma houdinis. They believe that in order to bring balance to the world the Karma Houdini bigots need to be punished in some way (usually by humiliating them, ostracizing them, or destroying their social standing. Some of the more extreme KH Hunters want to take away the bigots' rights, though). TABs are often KH Hunters as well. That said, the difference between SJW KH Hunters and TAB KH Hunters is that SJWs go after someone who they perceive as a bigot without seeing both sides of the story, while TABs will do their research first to make sure the person is actually a bigot. Also, SJWs tend to go after tiny things, while TABs generally go after more major atrocities. It should also be noted that TABs don't do double standards and will go after minorities who are bigoted, while SJWs usually focus on "The Majority" (aka While Straight Christian Males). Ironically, many TABs (such as myself) tend to see most SJWs as Karma Houdini Bigots. Hopefully, the day will come where the TABs will outnumber the SJWs, and the SJWs will loose their power (just as the bigoted WSCMs did).
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I am the shadow you can hide in here!


megahobbit wrote:...Have you actually seen any cases about sexual assault. Its really hard to prove sexual assault and get a conviction.

Secondly "feminist society" making you feel like a problem. Bruh come on. Your complaining about feminists being oversensitive about things and there need for "safe spaces" and simple signs about sexual assault bother you.
and hello your back!
to the gender studies there they get so much on racism, sexism some get thought and do to attack or make people loose their jobs like those campus leaders getting fired by them.

trying to suppress others, creating more hatred around them and could lead to more assult cases... stupid feminists doing this?! (atleast some of them do and its not that hard to see it because of the others getting angry and want to attack back).

and yes sexual assaults is hard to prove but still sometimes they are just letting the girls off the hook or in the wrong way dismiss a real case that did happend or because there is nothing to be proven right or wrong.
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Oh boy another thread about how awful feminism is.

Okay first off I stand by Affirmative Action giving money to people who are disenfranchised is fine especially given fields like Science are not exactly that open to females.


The problem with affirmative action is that it assumes "privilege" based on race or gender, instead of actually looking at anything at the individual level, leading to those who are at the high end of the "disenfranchised" community (I'll let your use of that word slide, but really? Disenfranchised?) taking the place of someone at the low end of the "privileged" community. This can have the effect of edging out individuals who have truly earned their place to make a quota. This has been seen quite commonly among asian americans, essentially not getting into schools because of their race as there are already such a high number of asians in higher education. If affirmative action looked at individuals instead of the collective when determining who to help, it would be a lot more useful but as is, I find it quite difficult to stand by.
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megahobbit wrote:

Oh boy another thread about how awful feminism is.

Okay first off I stand by Affirmative Action giving money to people who are disenfranchised is fine especially given fields like Science are not exactly that open to females.


The problem with affirmative action is that it assumes "privilege" based on race or gender, instead of actually looking at anything at the individual level, leading to those who are at the high end of the "disenfranchised" community (I'll let your use of that word slide, but really? Disenfranchised?) taking the place of someone at the low end of the "privileged" community. This can have the effect of edging out individuals who have truly earned their place to make a quota. This has been seen quite commonly among asian americans, essentially not getting into schools because of their race as there are already such a high number of asians in higher education. If affirmative action looked at individuals instead of the collective when determining who to help, it would be a lot more useful but as is, I find it quite difficult to stand by.


Yo man long time no see.

You see this comes down alot to a difference between ideologies here.

I am not a person who believes strongly in the individualist "someone earns there place etc" viewpoint because thats not how life works in my view. Other factors like racism and sexism come into play and hinder people.

I am aware of the problems when it comes to Asian Americans and how they are commonly shafted because of quotas. Thats a problem we should deal with but quotas as a concept and in action are not something I think is wholey bad.
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Third wave feminists are irritating.
The generalizations these whiny prissies spout, as well as the general hatred, tends to outweigh ANYTHING they accomplish.
Claiming all men to be predators is a counterintuitive response and misandrist. Double standards, of course, like to try and excuse women of misandrist behavior and such, but it's seriously just as bad as misogyny.
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In college, seeing signs from the feminist society has made me feel inferior, like I'm a problem, like I'm ridden with original sin and need to be cleansed. Whether it's signs saying "YOU ASKED HER FOR CONSENT, RIGHT?" or "I SHOULDN'T BE SCARED WHEN WALKING ALONE AT NIGHT.", it makes me and other guys I know feel like predators. It's not as bad as I see in other countries, where guys my age are forced to attend "consent classes", where laws are passed making prosecution of rape "Guilty until proven innocent" or "total, affirmative ongoing consent during sexual contact", the latter of which I agree with, but what constitutes consent? Verbal? How can that be proven? Recording it? I know guys that are afraid to initiate sexual contact without recording what happens for fear of being accused of rape, and we're not even one of those countries.

I want to know how you feel about it, especially if you're a guy. We can't keep allowing authoritarian actions like banning criticism, forcing people to take "consent classes" or forcing companies not to export "disrespectful video games". We need to think long and hard about what feminism is doing to the world, that it's not infallible, that it's consistently causing trouble in the developed world.


THIS. I can't even be friends with women anymore, forget dating or heaven forbid sex.
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Third wave feminists are irritating.
The generalizations these whiny prissies spout, as well as the general hatred, tends to outweigh ANYTHING they accomplish.


>looks at avi
that fucking neck
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Yo man long time no see.


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megahobbit wrote:

Yo man long time no see.






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