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Was Kirito Justified in S1 Arc 2? (Spoilers)
Posted 12/5/15
So I see a lot of hate for the fairy king guy, but in case you didn't know....




So basically, keep in mind that this is punitive punishment of an obviously guilty party. What do you think?
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Posted 12/5/15
Dude had it coming if not Kirito it would have been someone else possibly Asuna and I'm pretty sure she would have made him suffer more.
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Posted 12/5/15
You know how it goes: Two wrongs can make a right.
Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15
One of the things that separate this from say police is because it's not a violation of moral etiquette of a large governing body that sets a dangerous precedent, I.E. institutionalized torture, but of the vigilante action of someone who definitely had proof of the former's wrongdoing and didn't need to engage in such actions. If it were the police or the government doling this out as punishments an end to an end, than everyone of you should be against it. But this is not the case here.
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Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

One of the things that separate this from say police is because it's not a violation of moral etiquette of a large governing body that sets a dangerous precedent, I.E. institutionalized torture, but of the vigilante action of someone who definitely had proof of the former's wrongdoing and didn't need to engage in such actions. If it were the police or the government doling this out as punishments an end to an end, than everyone of you should be against it. But this is not the case here.


Could you dumb that down for me please.

Edit: Not trying to be an ass I really just didn't understand.
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Posted 12/5/15
I really dont get how he just got admin powers shit.

Like, the fairy king had it coming he just virtually raped asuna...
Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15

Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

One of the things that separate this from say police is because it's not a violation of moral etiquette of a large governing body that sets a dangerous precedent, I.E. institutionalized torture, but of the vigilante action of someone who definitely had proof of the former's wrongdoing and didn't need to engage in such actions. If it were the police or the government doling this out as punishments an end to an end, than everyone of you should be against it. But this is not the case here.


Could you dumb that down for me please.


In my opinion, you shouldn't tolerate torture as a punishment if done by a large or official segment of the government or governing power. IT sets a dangerous precedent. If you've read Orwell's animal farm, it turns the history of the animal commandments into a former shadow of itself, twisting the wording and meaning till it resembles something entirely different. In 1984, torture is used to crush "dissent", and look at all the governments since that time that engage in such a practice! In home country, we used torture as a means of punishment and generally things didn't turn out so well for the Rouge.


In other words, if the police torture even a guilty suspect of a heinous crime, you should generally be against it. Protect the rights of one and you protect the rights of all it applies to. Yada yada.
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Posted 12/5/15
was he justified? hell yea, fuck that guy. Was he right? no, but who cares? dude had it coming.
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Posted 12/5/15
A better question is was the punishment severe enough. Not cool weaseling your way into marrying an unconscious girl, and keeping her from returning to the real world. Don't forget the sexual assault... In real life I might care about the morals of such punishments, but in anime, fuck it. I want blood.
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Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15
I can't say anything about wrong or right, but personally? If I were in Kirito's shoes, I would've done worse without a moment's thought. >.<
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Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

In my opinion, you shouldn't tolerate torture as a punishment if done by a large or official segment of the government or governing power. IT sets a dangerous precedent. If you've read Orwell's animal farm, it turns the history of the animal commandments into a former shadow of itself, twisting the wording and meaning till it resembles something entirely different. In 1984, torture is used to crush "dissent", and look at all the governments since that time that engage in such a practice!


In other words, if the police torture even a guilty suspect of a heinous crime, you should generally be against it. Protect the rights of one and you protect the rights of all it applies to. Yada yada.


I get it now, yeah torture should be frowned upon but... As much as we don't like it every government uses it you just won't hear about most of the time. No way your run of the mill police officer will be able to do it or get away with it for that matter but I have no doubt we let private contractors and spies do it with no accountability.

As for the matter of Kirito, well that's up to perspective a lot of people would have condemned the action but also know if they were put in his shoes they would have done the same thing.
Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15

Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

In my opinion, you shouldn't tolerate torture as a punishment if done by a large or official segment of the government or governing power. IT sets a dangerous precedent. If you've read Orwell's animal farm, it turns the history of the animal commandments into a former shadow of itself, twisting the wording and meaning till it resembles something entirely different. In 1984, torture is used to crush "dissent", and look at all the governments since that time that engage in such a practice!


In other words, if the police torture even a guilty suspect of a heinous crime, you should generally be against it. Protect the rights of one and you protect the rights of all it applies to. Yada yada.


I get it now, yeah torture should be frowned upon but... As much as we don't like it every government uses it you just won't hear about most of the time. No way your run of the mill police officer will be able to do it or get away with it for that matter but I have no doubt we let private contractors and spies do it with no accountability.

As for the matter of Kirito, well that's up to perspective a lot of people would have condemned the action but also know if they were put in his shoes they would have done the same thing.


I said as a form of punishment. Everyone frowns on Adu Ghirab but not on the confessions supposedly leading to Osama. Mainly because Ghirab was done for shits and giggles. Not a whole lot of Governments engage in institutionalized torture.


You can also condemn someone's actions for going with their feelings without being a hypocrite and whatnot. I understand what KIrito is going through but I am not going to justify it as right. Preferably I rather not do it than delude myself with self justification. On the other hand I'm disturbed by how many fans said yes.
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Posted 12/5/15
Without getting too deep, I think he deserved it. And if i recall correctly, it was retribution for attempted rape, along with false imprisonment. Also keep in mind, that the fairy king in question was keeping 300 people as human test subjects at the time. Considering all that, since it was in Virtual Reality, even though it felt real, I wouldn't have stopped Kirito if I was there.
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Posted 12/5/15 , edited 12/5/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

In my opinion, you shouldn't tolerate torture as a punishment if done by a large or official segment of the government or governing power. IT sets a dangerous precedent. If you've read Orwell's animal farm, it turns the history of the animal commandments into a former shadow of itself, twisting the wording and meaning till it resembles something entirely different. In 1984, torture is used to crush "dissent", and look at all the governments since that time that engage in such a practice!


In other words, if the police torture even a guilty suspect of a heinous crime, you should generally be against it. Protect the rights of one and you protect the rights of all it applies to. Yada yada.


I get it now, yeah torture should be frowned upon but... As much as we don't like it every government uses it you just won't hear about most of the time. No way your run of the mill police officer will be able to do it or get away with it for that matter but I have no doubt we let private contractors and spies do it with no accountability.

As for the matter of Kirito, well that's up to perspective a lot of people would have condemned the action but also know if they were put in his shoes they would have done the same thing.


I said as a form of punishment. Everyone frowns on Adu Ghirab but not on the confessions supposedly leading to Osama. Mainly because Ghirab was done for shits and giggles. Not a whole lot of Governments engage in institutionalized torture.


That's where the private contractors come in so they can deny the action if caught.
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Posted 12/5/15
i have to agree with you, the guy had done enough to make the actions he receved justified
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