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Was Kirito Justified in S1 Arc 2? (Spoilers)
Posted 12/5/15

Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:


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Let's lay out the crimes Sugou was guilty of:
1. Psychological torture of Asuna.
2. Kidnapping of Asuna and other players from SAO.
3. Human experimentation on on the kidnapped players.
4. Attempted murder of Kirito.

There are other crimes. But, those are the big ones. I personally feel not only was Kirito justified in his actions, but he showed remarkable restraint. On the actual legality of what Kirito did, that would depend on the laws of Japan at that time. But, most likely they would be considered perfectly legal.

Also, in the hospital parking lot Kirito showed remarkable restraint. After being physically assaulted with a deadly weapon, he did not kill Sugou.

Personally I think they should have given Kirito a freaking medal.

Edit: As an aside. If someone would try to do something similar to someone I love, I would have a hard time showing the restraint Kirito showed.


I don't think he showed restraint at all. He used a medium in all its glory to give sugou what it feels like to be hacked apart and you call that restraint? Sure, it could've been slightly gorier, but he was on a time restraint. I don't see it as restraint. I see it as reveling in the suffering of another. Where's the restraint in that?

As for the legality, it depends. I've seen people let off for certain crimes, such as Cheryl Pearson and Sean Pica, while there are undoubtedly cases where both parties were charged with wrong doing. I hope you're not serious when you say perfectly legal, unless we're referring to the lagging of laws behind technology.


I think what he meant by restraint is when he spared his life even though he could have killed him and considering Sugou attempted to kill him Kirito could have killed him and gotten away with it out of self defense. Not only that Kirito had more than one motive to kill him but as you know he didn't.

He phrase it as two separate cases, to quote him "also, in the hospital parking lot", which means he also justify Kirito's actions in virtual reality. Personally, I don't see how that could've been worst. Keep in mind the constraints of MMOs limiting what players can do. Sugou disappeared after death. It probably could not have been worst due to the HP bar. And yes, Kirito was on a time constraint.


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Posted 12/5/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

He phrase it as two separate cases, to quote him "also, in the hospital parking lot", which means he also justify Kirito's actions in virtual reality. Personally, I don't see how that could've been worst. Keep in mind the constraints of MMOs limiting what players can do. Sugou disappeared after death. It probably could not have been worst due to the HP bar. And yes, Kirito was on a time constraint.




I see, well I don't condone Kirito's actions in game but I'm not blind to the fact I might have done something of a similar nature. It's easy to say you wouldn't do that when you are not in that situation but when you are in it I imagine it would be a different story. There would be a lot of anger and grief to blind your better judgement, I imagine it would take someone of remarkable willpower not to do such a thing...
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Posted 12/5/15
You are always justified to exact revenge.
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Posted 12/5/15
Do I think it was "right" no.

Would I have done the same, yes.
Posted 12/5/15

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There's justice and there's this. It's sort of sickening, these replies in this thread, excusing our morally infallible hero from doing no wrong while rejoicing in the fact that Light killed a shitload of people. Man, it just feels self righteous.


(This first paragraph is more of a playful theory than anything)
I think in a society where doing deeds that are seen as selfless and for the greater good,people expect you to do so almost as if your obligated. One can eventually see that they can be left empty doing deeds to appease others while forgetting and neglecting there own desires,so one way to counterbalance that is though projecting our own truly selfish desires onto those characters and idolizing them to an extent which can sway our judgement. It may not be necessarily, the killing or torturing that people are resonating with but the fact that someone can and did act according to there own desires and didn't have to uphold some other persons idea of what is right but allowed themselves to express what it is they truly wanted to do unbound from morals.

I must say even though I did say "I don't see anything wrong with it" I don't see anything right with what Kirito did either but it was purely for his own sake.

Now on to something I would like to note on self-righteousness, apparently Confucius said something along the lines of, "the goody-goodies are the thieves of virtue." and I heard Alan Watts interpret that as "that to try to be wholly righteous is to go beyond humanity and to be something that isn't human." and I think that going "beyond" humanity implies that somehow to be human is bad (kinda like original sin), but I would argue that it's not that simple as good or bad its a bit more complex. Anyway goody goodies are Self-righteous and can be very well be destructive. A lot of wars were waged though purely moral reasons. I would rather see someone do something evil for purely selfish reasons rather than hide behind a facade of "morality". I don't know about light but I don't think Kirito would say what he did was right, if that means anything. To end this off, if anything an inflexibly righteous person is not human, and that's what I think about goody goodies. ( To be honest I don't even know if this last part makes any sense but whatever.)
Posted 2/2/16
You know what's really sad? If there was gore, half you people would probably be on my side.
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Posted 2/2/16
I'm swiftly developing a new pet peeve; people who take anime way too seriously.
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Posted 2/2/16
Yeah, like "The Last House on the Left (2008 version)".... there's revenge and then there's that.

There was another Indie film, whose title escapes me, that was about a father tracking down the people that kidnapped his daughter, forced her into porn, and then murdered her. I couldn't make through the first 20 minutes due to the methods of torture the guy used... and I'm not squeemish.
Posted 2/2/16

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I'm swiftly developing a new pet peeve; people who take anime way too seriously.


I'm sorry, but I just had to get into the heart of people and their deep seeded feelings on torture as a whole.
Posted 2/2/16
Okay, so here's my hypothesis on why people condone Kirito's actions.

-Lack of Gore:

It doesn't really hit home we're "torturing" someone if we don't see the byproducts of it. Naturally, most of us get squeamish at a great deal gore or anything that makes us cringe. Taking out the gore removes us from what is actually happening so we don't naturally revolt at what is actually happening. A few red pixels? No big deal. Gushing amounts of blood? Come Children, we'll usher you out of the room. However the pain of death is still dare, and the fact that we're in a game world doesn't diminish that fact. In fact, the virtual world opens up endless possibilities to torture.

-Kirito is the "good guy"/Fairy guy is bad

Preferably I would want the good guy to perform good deeds to be considered a good guy, instead of the good guy being the good guy regardless of his actions, which are painted as good. This is where I feel Kawahara failed. He presented the latter option, probably because he didn't want to bother justifying Kirito's actions other than "he's a good guy, so all his actions are good".
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Posted 2/2/16

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Yeah, like "The Last House on the Left (2008 version)".... there's revenge and then there's that.


... and that one's got nothing on the 1974 original. *shudders*
Posted 2/2/16

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cenobytecode wrote:
Yeah, like "The Last House on the Left (2008 version)".... there's revenge and then there's that.


... and that one's got nothing on the 1974 original. *shudders*


Yeah, having your **** bitten off is pretty hellish. Then there's having your throat slashed, the chainsaw, etc.

Although having your head in oven while your paralyzed from the neck down sucks too.
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I found it humorous when he had his bottom lopped off. I was like "LOL you're in no condition to rape Asuna now that you're bottomless11 also say goodbye to your girlfriend- le-right hand"
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Posted 2/2/16
Like I said before. If it's justified, yes. If you let someone live like a fiend without punishment for their actions, they won't learn, and neither will you. Keep the peace, and they will still want to stab you in the back. It's time to learn how humans really work in terms of justice, we are not some white Knight that let's a man walk away from raping someone, they need to know what justice feels like so we put the fear into their eyes.

We are not pushovers, we are sadistic in nature when it comes to being justified for our actions. From ones actions, you cannot contain another's justification by relating to their feelings, we are different from one another, and if one is more sadistic in their justification, you cannot hold them back for the sake of what is right and wrong.
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Posted 2/2/16 , edited 2/2/16
What is wrong with being primitive? It got us this far...

Primal justice, retribution -- call it what you want. There is great survival value in the human instinct to "make you pay if you mess with me or mine".
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