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Your current take on American patriotism
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Posted 12/6/15 , edited 12/6/15

PVT_Crutch wrote:
Yeah, and that sucks. I would love it if we could just close down every oversea base and bring our troops home but many member nations of NATO are close allies of ours. We can't exactly leave them to defend themselves. Not only would that leave Europe vulnerable but it would also burn a lot of important bridges. It be a real bad move politically.


Yes, we can.

Fuck 'em. Let their asses swing for awhile. That's why the EU became the EU with the Euro and everything. "We can sit at the big kid's table now!"

Now we have Turkey off shooting down Russian jets, the Dutch sold off their armor, and I believe there isn't a single non US aircraft carrier in NATO that is ready to fight.



The UK currently doesn't have an active carrier. That skijump carrier is at the scrapper
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Just don't seem like 'Murica unless we're hating something, oppressing something or hurting someone because it's "just how we do things"
Posted 12/6/15
Just like every superpower, America will eventually lose.

I would like to be dead by then.
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VZ68 wrote:

If anything we should join forces with China and Russia and just cause the rest of the world to piss themselves.


Yeah We can dream.


Really, we should do the Russia/USA bridge (it's not a joke!) and just start doing trade that way. I mean we are using their space program now, and what the hell, they have a bunch of wood and stuff, and screw it.





China would become buddies, and if we could get them to knock off their human rights issue and for fuck's sake China, stop with the smog...

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Well, China does need to improve their pollution and stop deflating our dollars. Not a bad idea that an enterprising partnership between like minds can achieve.

We could use the winter to our advantage and then use ships during the summer for trade. Siberia and Alaska could use the revenue. As it is Russia has entered into our air space, so why not?
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china would pollute us if we became allies >.>

but really what's being patriotic gotta do with having a presence in other countries i consider myself supportive of my country but i'm not ou there saying "bring 'em home!" or "leave 'em there!" i'm just going to support those who give their time and lives for us wherever they may be
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Just one take
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Many people that claim to be patriots are bordering on or are in a nationalism mind-set which is never a good thing.
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zinjashike wrote:

Many people that claim to be patriots are bordering on or are in a nationalism mind-set which is never a good thing.


I'm honestly not sure what the difference is anymore.....
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ryuknightalex wrote:


zinjashike wrote:

Many people that claim to be patriots are bordering on or are in a nationalism mind-set which is never a good thing.


I'm honestly not sure what the difference is anymore.....


Patriots are proud of their heritage or want to do good things for their country. Nationalist will say their country is doing what's right or just because it's their country - it is infallible.
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To much patriotism and nationalism is problematic, but the influx of self-hating US citizens concerns me. Both are self-destructive and short-sighted in excess.
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Its one thing to be proud of your heritage, its another thing to think your country is the center of the universe. The cold war is over, NATO should have been disbanded years ago. Most of the struggles that the US are in right now are problems of their own creation. Arming Afgan rebels to fight the soviets... all they did was train the Taliban... Iraq? they were American allies in the 1980's because they were at war with Iran... Iran? They supported a tyrannical regime in the 1970's and the country revolted... now the people there hate Americans because they supported the tyranny of the old regime. ISIS? The US help fund Syrian rebels against Assad... they split apart and one faction is ISIS. The US is not 'fighting for freedom'... they are paying for their meddling in world politics.
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Instead of this question being your thoughts on American patriotism, it should really be thoughts on patriotism in general... there are people outside the US who care about their country just as much as Americans care about America... bad-mouthing how Americans are nationalists it's like saying you are atheist, and you attack Christianity, but you don't attack any other religion, because PC.
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Posted 12/6/15 , edited 12/6/15

VZ68 wrote:


PVT_Crutch wrote:
Yeah, and that sucks. I would love it if we could just close down every oversea base and bring our troops home but many member nations of NATO are close allies of ours. We can't exactly leave them to defend themselves. Not only would that leave Europe vulnerable but it would also burn a lot of important bridges. It be a real bad move politically.


Yes, we can.

Fuck 'em. Let their asses swing for awhile. That's why the EU became the EU with the Euro and everything. "We can sit at the big kid's table now!"

Now we have Turkey off shooting down Russian jets, the Dutch sold off their armor, and I believe there isn't a single non US aircraft carrier in NATO that is ready to fight.



The UK currently doesn't have an active carrier. That skijump carrier is at the scrapper


haha, Britain's military has been slacking... they had their FALs which they named the L1A1 SLR, great freakin' gun. Then they replace it with the piece of garbage SA80, because it's a bullpup. It jams every 3 rounds. And they still use the damned Sea Harrier (although they are getting the F-35 so GJ UK)

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