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Your current take on American patriotism
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The Soviet Union had successful lunar missions, and they adopted the metric system in 1924. Know what system I had to use for basically everything in Army ROTC? The metric system. The measurements I used in almost all my US science and engineering classes? The metric system. We made it to the moon /in spite/ of using a backward system of measurements we got from England.
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Patriotism is cool. America is cool. Seriously though, I;m about done with being the world's most armed nation. I wish that the 40% of our budget could be spent elsewhere besides military. Our quality of life and general happiness ratings suck compared to EU.

Let me tell you the story, of a proud nation of can-doers who have waged war since 1940, either by invasion or by proxy. Let me tell you of a country so determined to contain communism, that it used political tricks to install puppet regimes in numerous countries, allowing corrupt tyrants to extort the people mercilessly. We trained and armed Al'Qaeda, we trained and armed the South Vietnamese, the South Koreans.

I'm proud of what America has accomplished in the world. I'm also done being the world's police man. I'm not scared of terrorists, as far as I'm concerned, the terrorists are winning as long as you feel fear. Europe is an old continent, and after years of their imperialism, they grew tired of constantly keeping the world in order. I'm tired of America keeping the world in order; it's time we cared about what goes on inside our country rather than out.
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Posted 12/6/15

VZ68 wrote:


macht_gut wrote:



I believe you. I say we close our bases in Europe and Japan and bring home the troops. Let them fight Putin on their own. Eventually he will start eyeing Europe or the countries that were under the Soviet Union and force their submission. Let Japan fight China on their own. They don't want us there anyway and they can now have their own military so use them.


If anything we should join forces with China and Russia and just cause the rest of the world to piss themselves.


Lmao. Welcome to your new overlords.
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Insanerino wrote:

Patriotism is cool. America is cool. Seriously though, I;m about done with being the world's most armed nation. I wish that the 40% of our budget could be spent elsewhere besides military. Our quality of life and general happiness ratings suck compared to EU.

Let me tell you the story, of a proud nation of can-doers who have waged war since 1940, either by invasion or by proxy. Let me tell you of a country so determined to contain communism, that it used political tricks to install puppet regimes in numerous countries, allowing corrupt tyrants to extort the people mercilessly. We trained and armed Al'Qaeda, we trained and armed the South Vietnamese, the South Koreans.

I'm proud of what America has accomplished in the world. I'm also done being the world's police man. I'm not scared of terrorists, as far as I'm concerned, the terrorists are winning as long as you feel fear. Europe is an old continent, and after years of their imperialism, they grew tired of constantly keeping the world in order. I'm tired of America keeping the world in order; it's time we cared about what goes on inside our country rather than out.


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Posted 12/6/15

dotsforlife wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


macht_gut wrote:



I believe you. I say we close our bases in Europe and Japan and bring home the troops. Let them fight Putin on their own. Eventually he will start eyeing Europe or the countries that were under the Soviet Union and force their submission. Let Japan fight China on their own. They don't want us there anyway and they can now have their own military so use them.


If anything we should join forces with China and Russia and just cause the rest of the world to piss themselves.


Lmao. Welcome to your new overlords.


Works for me, but then spy movies would totally suck.

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thegreywitch wrote:
That's a lot of patriotic drivel coming from a Canadian. If someone is to judge these Americans on their patriotism, better for it to come from other Americans. It isn't as if you vote in US elections, nor need worry of the results.

If Americans , some Americans hate their country, it isn't your concern, and it might be more than luxuries they take in account . I could give a shit about us luxuries, you confuse every american for rich.



Why so abrasive ?

Dismissing my opinion offhandedly as "patriotic drivel" is silly. Why partake in a discussion if you intend to dismiss other people's opinions ?

"What do you think about america being the center of the universe in our global community?

I think excess patriotism alienates it from its neighbors[...]"

I'm part of the global community. I'm also one of your nearest neighbors. I would think my opinion is relevant to the conversation.


I care about the USA because I feel that as a country, it is the most in line with my own personal values and ideals.
Whether I vote in their elections is irrelevant. Furthermore, since I feel like America is the country most in line with my ideals, obviously it should cause me concern if the people who DO vote there hate it and want to steer it in a different direction. Ultimately it is THEIR right, but I'm allowed my opinion.

You also draw unfounded conclusions, what with the comments about luxuries and the rich.
Nevermind that every country has their poor, and many have systems in place to keep the poor firmly where they are.


If you want more insight in my point of view, feel free to read on. If not, then you are welcome to glide on.

I'm far from wealthy, myself. However, my family are entrepreneurs, and we live in a country where being successful in business is hindered every step of the way by the government and the systems in place. With every election I see the masses vote in favor of more "free" services and less realistic budgets. I've seen my family pay taxes enough to cover expenses for several families, every year, to cover for services we personally don't even use and never asked for.

I have known people abusing the system and refusing to work because they make almost as much money sitting on their asses at home than they would working 40H/week. The same people who make use of every single "free" service available to "help" them. In essence, those are some of the people my father gave half his earnings away to his whole life. And listening to most people here, you would think that is exactly how it should be.

When working hard means diminishing returns (unless you reach critical mass), why work hard? That is the attitude that is pervasive here. As I said before, accepting and almost encouraging mediocrity instead of excellence.

In stark contrast to my view of my own country, I have an American friend who comes from a poor family in a ghetto who worked his ass off and today he is comfortably middle class, makes more money than I do, and his cost of living is lower than mine. So that contributes greatly to why I think of the USA the way I do.

Do I think the USA are perfect? No, of course not.
But I still think it is a great country with good values (for the most part).


In the interest of having an actual dialogue rather than just talking at each other, how about you give me more insight about your own point of view ? (Unless you don't intend to be civil, in which case carry on.)
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Nowadays, the US has two forms of patriots. The ones who want the country to do well and those that strongly support people who seek to make the country fail. Of course, it splits along party lines here, and each party claims patriotism while claiming the other is falsely patriotic.
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DEFSTRUCTion wrote:

The Soviet Union had successful lunar missions, and they adopted the metric system in 1924. Know what system I had to use for basically everything in Army ROTC? The metric system. The measurements I used in almost all my US science and engineering classes? The metric system. We made it to the moon /in spite/ of using a backward system of measurements we got from England.


Now, NASA apparently crossed the two once and the end result was a space instrument (Mars Orbiter) flying into oblivion. According to NASA, it missed the orbit it was supposed to achieve, slammed into the Martian atmosphere, rebounded out, and supposedly is orbiting the Sun now.
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Frankly I think our country suffers from an excess of nationalism. To be clear I define Patriotism as a healthy faith in and love in one's country while not being blind to it's fault and being respectful of other nations, whereas nationalism is a belief in the superiority of one's country over all others. Basically it comes down to "my country is great" vs "my country is better than yours". The former is a completely commendable thing to believe, the latter is a poisonous belief that leads to nothing but bad things.

I feel like many forces in America today like to tout principles of American greatness as though they were a given thing. As though America will always be great no matter what actions it takes, as though that greatness was an essential quality of America rather than something it had to constantly prove through actions. I think it's best described by the thinking of individuals like Ann Coulter and her ilk. To this group it seems like America can simply do no wrong, that we are always in the right.

But that's simply not how greatness works. It's not something you just have, you have to earn it, and bear it out repeatedly through your own actions. If America fails to live up to it's own guiding principles it ceases to be great. And frankly like many nations we've conveniently ignored the principles that are supposed to define us many times over the years, and have been doing a pretty poor job of it for a while now.

I still retain faith in America as an ideal, but I think it intensely arrogant to call us the greatest nation on earth as I've heard some people do. We are not a special, elevated existence. We are simply a country like any other, no better or worse than any other except by dint of our deeds. And if we do want to be great, we have to prove it.
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Posted 12/7/15
oh boy, another "I hate (insert object / law / rule / thing about the U.S here) thread.
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I don't know... The current American Secretary of State once said "make sure you study or you might find yourself in Iraq"... So I'd say nonexistent and I'm cool with that.
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X41822N wrote:

I'm far from wealthy, myself. However, my family are entrepreneurs, and we live in a country where being successful in business is hindered every step of the way by the government and the systems in place. With every election I see the masses vote in favor of more "free" services and less realistic budgets. I've seen my family pay taxes enough to cover expenses for several families, every year, to cover for services we personally don't even use and never asked for.

I have known people abusing the system and refusing to work because they make almost as much money sitting on their asses at home than they would working 40H/week. The same people who make use of every single "free" service available to "help" them. In essence, those are some of the people my father gave half his earnings away to his whole life. And listening to most people here, you would think that is exactly how it should be.

When working hard means diminishing returns (unless you reach critical mass), why work hard? That is the attitude that is pervasive here. As I said before, accepting and almost encouraging mediocrity instead of excellence.

In stark contrast to my view of my own country, I have an American friend who comes from a poor family in a ghetto who worked his ass off and today he is comfortably middle class, makes more money than I do, and his cost of living is lower than mine. So that contributes greatly to why I think of the USA the way I do.


Hate to break it to you, but everything you listed as being wrong with your country happens in America as well. Probably in equal amounts, if not more. Don't assume life in America is super-special awesome just because you chatted with one friend who got lucky. And yes, he DID get lucky. Unless he legit got by on privilege but more than likely it was pure luck.

"Just work really, really hard!" isn't enough anymore for the vast majority of Americans. Yes, there are lazy asses who just bum off welfare, but there are also a lot of us who are working our asses off trying to get a job, doing everything we're told is how you get a job, and still not finding a potential employer who'll even give us so much as an interview. And when you DO finally get an interview, and even a job, you'll get scheduled for like, 4 hours a week. Maybe a few more if you kiss the Store Manager's ass enough.

When society punishes you for actually trying, why should you even bother? I'm willing to contribute, but not when society fights me EVERY. STEP. OF. THE. WAY.

I wouldn't mind voting for realistic budgets....if any realistic budgets were put on the ballot. Too bad American politicians are too greedy and stupid to do that, though. All they ever want to do to solve our problems (including our national debt problem) is spend spend spend spend spend spend and....you guessed it! spend! Oh, and be sure to increase their bonuses while you're at it, 'cause they're clearly doing such a great job and deserve it!

Nice to know Canada's society is as screwed up as ours. Wish the grass could actually be greener just this once, tough....
There's still other countries, of course, but I highly doubt reality is as kind as I'm hoping :\
Posted 12/7/15 , edited 12/7/15
I prefer Dylan Moran's take on Americans, to be honest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0rUtSLZTlc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLpCh-lE54. Patriotism in general is for retards, though. Doesn't matter if you're American or Chinese, you know you're a retard when you declare yourself a patriot.
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I know it's not super-special awesome, nowhere is ;P


ryuknightalex wrote:
Nice to know Canada's society is as screwed up as ours. Wish the grass could actually be greener just this once, tough....
There's still other countries, of course, but I highly doubt reality is as kind as I'm hoping :\


Honestly at this point in my life, I'd settle for the warmer weather, cheaper food/gas, faster internet and speed limits ;)

At any rate you bring up a good point, which is that everywhere is messed up, albeit in varying degrees and different ways.
I suppose I just get rubbed the wrong way when I hear Americans hating on their country, especially when they bring up my country as a counter-point (didn't happen in this thread, but it happened a few times recently during my stay in the U.S).

So in short: Sometimes our grass IS greener than yours. Like, in the middle of summer. When it's not covered in snow XD

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Patriotism is bullshit. It always has been, for any country.
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