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Paedophiles and rapists deserve what they get , but I think every other case should be assessed properly and by numerous people ( judges and etc. ) to avoid unfair judgment

I personally don't like the idea of the death penalty but I do believe there are some cases where it should be aloud , but I myself would not want to cast that judgment or to execute the order , I think it's too cruel to make someone do that
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"An eye for an eye" had to deal with proportional punishment ...like not chopping off a hand because he stole a loaf of bread.

The cost of executions has been artificially inflated to make lifelong incarceration a comparable option. this can be greatly reduced without compromising justice; for example putting a stop over near endless appeals - especially over procedure not effecting guilt or innocence.

Executing murderers is not hypocritical - it shows the value of human life and the price for taking it away; wanting justice to be carried out does not make one like the criminal, how absurd! Expecting perfection is also absurd, though certainly desirable in this case; I can't recall any executed criminals in the past 30-40 years who have been proven innocent - if there are, it would be a very small number. Now the number of people who have died because a murderer was set free ...a very large number.

Not everyone wants to be "rehabilitated".
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Posted 12/9/15
unless neccesary i think it should be avoided.

but some people do need to be put down.

In an ideal world we could bring those psycopathic killers back to good mental health but we are far off that happening right now.
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I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.
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Posted 12/9/15

Midnightspell wrote:

Paedophiles and rapists deserve what they get , but I think every other case should be assessed properly and by numerous people ( judges and etc. ) to avoid unfair judgment

I personally don't like the idea of the death penalty but I do believe there are some cases where it should be aloud , but I myself would not want to cast that judgment or to execute the order , I think it's too cruel to make someone do that


Technically Paedophiles are not bad people because a Paedophile is just someone attracted to children.

It's when they touch children that they become rapists.

(just wanted to put that out there for arguments sake heh)
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I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.


I agree but when we have the technology to turn people like ISIS people back into normal sane minded people fix there issues etc ....should we kill them or cure them as most killers have alot wrong with there brain etc and mental illness.

I can see people voting for either side.
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I actually didn't know that , well as long as they don't act on those impulses or desires yeah okay , no need for a death sentence or something like that
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Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:

I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.


I agree but when we have the technology to turn people like ISIS people back into normal sane minded people fix there issues etc ....should we kill them or cure them as most killers have alot wrong with there brain etc and mental illness.

I can see people voting for either side.


If they haven't committed things like mass murder then I think they do have a shot at redeeming themselves. But the ones who have crossed that line, not so much...
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There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance.


-Mental sickness and/or trauma.
-Upbringing.
-Indoctrination.
-Being forced to commit the crime against their will.
-Drugs that typically lead to aggressive and violent tendencies.
-Legitimate and sincere regret for their actions.

And so on. The world is colored in shades of grey.
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descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:

I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.


I agree but when we have the technology to turn people like ISIS people back into normal sane minded people fix there issues etc ....should we kill them or cure them as most killers have alot wrong with there brain etc and mental illness.

I can see people voting for either side.


If they haven't committed things like mass murder then I think they do have a shot at redeeming themselves. But the ones who have crossed that line, not so much...


What if they crossed the line due to mental illness / insanity.

That's where the lines start to blur i feel because you could either kill them for something they did because they were mentally ill or cure them and make them normal.

I feel personally i would rather cure them and make them live with it for the rest of there life in jail.

I just say this because sometimes mental illness makes you do stuff you don't want to do (for example as someone mentally ill myself i have pulled a knife against my own parents with no control of myself).

I feel there should be alot of research into the persons mental state and stability and if they are still saveable.

Thats just my opinion though.
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Posted 12/9/15

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I actually didn't know that , well as long as they don't act on those impulses or desires yeah okay , no need for a death sentence or something like that


Alot of them seek help for those impulses (i may be wrong but i know some do) so it goes to show there is some hope.
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descloud wrote:

There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance.


-Mental sickness and/or trauma.
-Upbringing.
-Indoctrination.
-Being forced to commit the crime against their will.
-Drugs that typically lead to aggressive and violent tendencies.
-Legitimate and sincere regret for their actions.

And so on. The world is colored in shades of grey.


The only legit one you stated is being forced to. In which case, can be self defense and ect. The rest, no, they are not excuses to be taken seriously.
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descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:

I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.


I agree but when we have the technology to turn people like ISIS people back into normal sane minded people fix there issues etc ....should we kill them or cure them as most killers have alot wrong with there brain etc and mental illness.

I can see people voting for either side.


If they haven't committed things like mass murder then I think they do have a shot at redeeming themselves. But the ones who have crossed that line, not so much...


What if they crossed the line due to mental illness / insanity.

That's where the lines start to blur i feel because you could either kill them for something they did because they were mentally ill or cure them and make them normal.

I feel personally i would rather cure them and make them live with it for the rest of there life in jail.

I just say this because sometimes mental illness makes you do stuff you don't want to do (for example as someone mentally ill myself i have pulled a knife against my own parents with no control of myself).

I feel there should be alot of research into the persons mental state and stability and if they are still saveable.

Thats just my opinion though.


I do not truly think insanity truly is a thing. Iv seen that get tossed around so many times to avoid prison time. If you were truly mentally ill, I don't think you would even be able to reason at the level you do.
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Posted 12/9/15 , edited 12/9/15

descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:

I do not like the idea of the death penalty. But it is the most fitting end for those who commit atrocities. There is no reason at all for someone who commits the most heinous of crimes to get a second chance. If more people had OP's mindset, people like ISIS would have to get a slap on the wrist because they felt bad for them.


I agree but when we have the technology to turn people like ISIS people back into normal sane minded people fix there issues etc ....should we kill them or cure them as most killers have alot wrong with there brain etc and mental illness.

I can see people voting for either side.


If they haven't committed things like mass murder then I think they do have a shot at redeeming themselves. But the ones who have crossed that line, not so much...


What if they crossed the line due to mental illness / insanity.

That's where the lines start to blur i feel because you could either kill them for something they did because they were mentally ill or cure them and make them normal.

I feel personally i would rather cure them and make them live with it for the rest of there life in jail.

I just say this because sometimes mental illness makes you do stuff you don't want to do (for example as someone mentally ill myself i have pulled a knife against my own parents with no control of myself).

I feel there should be alot of research into the persons mental state and stability and if they are still saveable.

Thats just my opinion though.


I do not truly think insanity truly is a thing. Iv seen that get tossed around so many times to avoid prison time. If you were truly mentally ill, I don't think you would even be able to reason at the level you do.


I am mentally ill i suffer from clinical depression and when i pulled a knife on my parents and i could of killed them i was not in control of my body at all it was moving on impulse.

That is the type of thing that can happen with those who suffer from mental illness.

Saying people who are mentally ill wouldn't be able to reason at the level i can is really undermining mentally ill people.


There have been people who have killed due to mental illness and are able to rationalize.

Mentall illness is a big thing and it can make people do things they don't want to do and even warp there thinking any sane man who wouldn't hurt a fly can become mentally ill and kill.

We should cure sick people not kill them imo.

Cure them and then let them face responsibility.

If you had a disease that made you go rabid and you killed a man and then you were cured.....should you deserve the death penalty then?
I think not.


In the end it's all situational but if the person is that mentally ill that they have no control over there actions then i feel the death sentence should goto solitairy confinement for life.

Also for fun what about people who black out and come to and they have commited a crime?
Posted 12/9/15
can you send killers waiting execution letters?
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