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Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/10/15

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly:

"You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..."

Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away.

Her full statement:
You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I'm well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it.

Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off?

And over on the other side of things, the leading Republican candidate, Donald Trump, basically said the exact same thing on Monday, just in a more Trump fashion.

We're losing a lot of people because of the internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people. We have a lot foolish people.

Think about this for a second. You have the two leading Presidential candidates -- one from each party -- each advocating that we shut down entire parts of the internet and censor speech, because bad people can use the internet just like good people. And both of them flat out say that, sure, some people will complain about free speech, but they both dismiss such complaints mockingly with nothing more than a suggestion that you can't take anyone who cries "free speech" seriously.

I usually laugh off people who get deeply scared about one person or another winning the Presidency, as they usually overestimate how much power the President really has. But, either I'm suddenly turning into an old cranky guy, or we're facing one hell of a scary Presidential election next year where the major candidates are not just bad, but downright scary. It's become pretty cliche to argue "that's what the terrorists want" in response to various kneejerk reactions by politicians, but really, does anyone not think that certain people are getting a kick out of US politicians shoving each other aside to belittle one of the most cherished rights that is a key principle of our country -- the First Amendment -- at the first opportunity?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151207/21225233018/two-leading-presidential-candidates-clinton-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

https://www.tytnetwork.com/2015/12/10/trump-and-hillary-agree-screw-internet-freedom-isis-is-scary/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-the-internet-will-ask-bill-gates-to-close-it-up-a6764396.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/

Do I even need to explain why this is a bad thing and elaborate on my thoughts on it? The current frontrunners for the two major parties in the country view freedom of speech as something they can handwave away and want to shut down the internet.

Ideally, this will give their respective cults some food for thought.
Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/14/15
Trump and Clinton are in cahoots.
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The bigger threats are the ones who support these two. I mean Trump and Clinton are amusing, but you'd have to be a damn fool to think they'd be fit to run the country. Pretty words and handwaving only get you so far.
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If you haven't noticed how hard cable media is pushing a Hilary/Trump presidential race? Its so fucking obvious it scares me that more people dont realize it.
The fact that the media focuses so much on those two solidifies it in my mind that I don't want either of them to win.

As to this we all know how stupid it is. You cant regulate the internet its impossible other wise the dark web wouldn't exist. The fact they so casually say it is evidence to their lack of understanding.
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I agree completely. Blowing off our right to freedom of speech is not something that can be ignored. If they are willing to impose such unconstitutional and unrighteous acts upon the entirety of this country, what other horrendous acts might they enact in office?

Our right to speak out against these horrible things is the one thing that can keep them from happening and they are trying to impose on that right.

I understand that maybe they aren't directly disallowing our speech, however they are limiting it. Their dismissal of the topic is proof that they know what they are doing and quite simply don't care.

We need someone in charge of this country who cares about the people within it.
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Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/14/15
I really hope neither of them become president.
Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/11/15
Good luck with everything America
Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/14/15
Well here hoping for assassination.
Posted 12/10/15
Before I jump on the bandwagon, what are they proposing? Is it in the article?
Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/14/15
uh oh

Posted 12/10/15 , edited 12/14/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Before I jump on the bandwagon, what are they proposing? Is it in the article?


Just read it. One them want the internet off and the other want some stupid shit. No I no going to copy paste. Reading it just alone, make my eyes bleed.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Before I jump on the bandwagon, what are they proposing? Is it in the article?


Yep.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151207/21225233018/two-leading-presidential-candidates-clinton-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

Two videos concerning their statements (one for each candidate) are present within the article I quoted.
Posted 12/10/15
Read about their intent. I don't know the specifics, but I would be against a firewall, first and foremost. Now shutting down terrorist websites....is there any case where we should shut down websites? Take the nuremburg website advocating the murder of several abortion doctors and their addresses. Was it a good idea to shut those down? Why not that which harms our infrastructure by advertising terrorism? Do we cross a line the day we mention say, someone's address or place of work? People have a right to life, so I believe they have freedom from these sorts of sites. I would not be opposed against shutting down sites that lists names.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Read about their intent. I don't know the specifics, but I would be against a firewall, first and foremost. Now shutting down terrorist websites....is there any case where we should shut down websites? Take the nuremburg website advocating the murder of several abortion doctors and their addresses. Was it a good idea to shut those down? Why not that which harms our infrastructure by advertising terrorism? Do we cross a line the day we mention say, someone's address or place of work? People have a right to life, so I believe they have freedom from these sorts of sites. I would not be opposed against shutting down sites that lists names.


I think inciting any sort of violence on purpose or directly is a no no for everybody I think.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Read about their intent. I don't know the specifics, but I would be against a firewall, first and foremost. Now shutting down terrorist websites....is there any case where we should shut down websites? Take the nuremburg website advocating the murder of several abortion doctors and their addresses. Was it a good idea to shut those down? Why not that which harms our infrastructure by advertising terrorism? Do we cross a line the day we mention say, someone's address or place of work? People have a right to life, so I believe they have freedom from these sorts of sites. I would not be opposed against shutting down sites that lists names.


The problem with giving them an inch is they'll take a mile and before you know it, they've accomplished their true intentions.

The internet is a double-edged sword, but it needs to be left alone.
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