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eclair-lumiere wrote:

Do you celebrate Christmas?
If you don't, does it offend you? Does seeing festive images anger you? And if so, why?

Christmas isn't even really about religion anymore. I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas because it's a holiday about being nice to others, having fun, exchanging presents etc. Surely no matter what religion you are, you shouldn't be offended by joy and happiness.


Oh, like that story about the guy who was resentfully paranoid of the "fools" around him too, and thought everyone was "playing at" the big marketed swindle of generosity and goodwill, as an excuse to drive commerce and fool them into "buying things of which they had no need". (Btw, he stopped in at a church, in the last chapter.)

As for Christmas trolling, some of it's angry "Hey, forgot somebody?" Jewish humor from those who don't or couldn't as kids, others is just angry-teen objectifying some issue that Christmas is all about annoying TV specials and, ick, optimistic people getting in your face, because they like nice easy shock symbols.
Both factions are the reasons we get all those annoying Christmas-themed slob-comedy movies every December, all wishfully thinking that they're following Billy Bob Thornton's lead.

But, this being an anime board, you're free to celebrate Christmas in the same confused spiritually-expunged way other countries do by coldly recreating images they see on Western TV out of all cultural context:
Hope you've got your Christmas Date to sit by the fire with, and enjoy your KFC and Christmas cake with, and sing that song about the Red-Nosed Reindeer before praying to Saint Claus.
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NekobasuRider wrote: I think the change from "Merry Christmas"
there is many who uses merry christmas?

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I'm a Christian but I don't celebrate Christmas. Many know that Jesus wasn't born in December. And many of the customs associated with Christmas have roots in pagan worship. I have nothing against families getting together and having fun or being peaceable with others. But I feel like that should happen year round, not just at Christmastime.
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Nyxotic wrote:

To me, it goes like this:
It's the holidays, I celebrate Christmas, so I say Merry Christmas.

If I tell you "Merry Christmas", but you're Jewish, I'd like you to reply "Happy Hanukkah". That doesn't offend me, because that's what you're celebrating. If you say "Happy Kwanzaa" that's fine too, even "Happy Saturnalia" or "Happy Holidays" if that floats your boat. You doing you takes nothing away from me doing me, and it's bigotry to think otherwise.


There's Christmas, and then there's The Holidays--
The Holidays go from Thanksgiving to Christmas (and not before), and a couple days after, until you get excited about your New Year's plans.
If Christmas was the whole said month, it would trivialize it out of existence into the same imaginary festival that the OP thought it was, but that doesn't mean I don't feel giddy and cheery, and want to do my mall shopping just to see the decorations and hear the Christmas muzak anyway, and hoping to see it snow even though I'm hoping we don't actually get any that I'll have to slip on and shovel, since that's only a reminder of the upbeat goodwill the actual holiday reminds me I should be showing the rest of the year.
If you want to wish me a merry Christmas, I know which bit of merriment you mean by it, and if you wish me Happy Holidays, you're hoping my entire month of preparation will be fun. Both are fine with me.

Just don't wish me Happy Kwanzaa, since it was made up out of thin air in the 60's and you know it (and whether real Africans used suspiciously familiar-looking candelabras in cultural celebrations is a contentious racial discussion for another time) and don't wish me "Happy Festivus", because I've seen the Seinfeld episode, and the series deserves to die.
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kaybono wrote:

I'm a Christian but I don't celebrate Christmas. Many know that Jesus wasn't born in December. And many of the customs associated with Christmas have roots in pagan worship. I have nothing against families getting together and having fun or being peaceable with others. But I feel like that should happen year round, not just at Christmastime.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Christmas to me is nothing to do with religion, frankly it seems like most people in Norway don't go to church anyway (As far as I've seen).
So it's a family holiday where you and your family get to hang out, eat some food, rip up some gifts.

If this is offensive, how is Halloween not offensive?
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Mrcreepday wrote:
If this is offensive, how is Halloween not offensive? :o
well there was these campuses that was all about racism, sexism etc etc that wanted to point out what you could wear cind of making the whole deal about Halloween being offensive.

Posted 12/11/15
Celebrating Christmas is a bit like celebrating Christianity, which again, is a bit like celebrating oppression, slavery, torture, and genocide. I doubt that's what goes through most people's minds, though, when they celebrate Christmas.
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Hrafna wrote:

Celebrating Christmas is a bit like celebrating Christianity, which again, is a bit like celebrating oppression, slavery, torture, and genocide. I doubt that's what goes through most people's minds, though, when they celebrate Christmas.

>inb4 triggered
I honestly don't even get why Christmas is associated with any sort of religion anymore. Christmas really isn't even about religion anymore. It's more about giving and getting gifts.
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kaybono wrote:

I'm a Christian but I don't celebrate Christmas. Many know that Jesus wasn't born in December. And many of the customs associated with Christmas have roots in pagan worship. I have nothing against families getting together and having fun or being peaceable with others. But I feel like that should happen year round, not just at Christmastime.


I know that Christmas is pretty fake both religiously and commercially, but spiritually-speaking, no matter what religion you are (unless it's an evil one lol, like satanism), we can all agree that it's a time of heightened divinity.

I mean, the levels of love and care and high vibrations soar in December. They're good, high vibrations and a peak of joy and love.

So we shouldn't not celebrate Christmas due to its roots, but rather, recognize what it is today. Just like America, which was founded on genocide and conquering innocent, peaceful people, we should just accept and celebrate Christmas for what it is in the present, not for what it was in the past.

When the majority of people are vibrating so high at the same time, why wouldn't you want to join in :)

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I'm not a practicing Christian, but I always put up a nativity scene every year to piss off the religion haters in the neighborhood.
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I offended someone by saying "Merry Christmas" to them. My reply when they told me it was offensive? "Good" and then I walked away.

No Christmas isn't offensive.
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Define offensive. Better yet define who gets to define what's offensive.

Personally I'm of the opinion that only YOU can define what's offensive for you. You cannot make someone else mad. You cannot anger someone else. That is a choice THEY make. One has to choose to allow something to anger them. The same goes for "offensive". Anything can be offensive to the wrong/right person. Rock music is offensive to some. D&D is the devil to some lol. If you don't believe in a God then how can you possibly get offended if someone else does? On the same token if you do believe in a God then how can you get offended if someone else doesn't or if someone else believes in a different god? That tells me that one would not really have faith in their God. Besides how can one get offended for people wanting to spend time together and give gifts. It's the very definition of love which is supposed to be the cornerstone of all religions and is also the cornerstone of all people regardless of their beliefs.

Again, good luck with defining offensive. That is a personal choice.

And I will say Merry Christmas to whoever I want regardless of their faith because I mean the words in good faith and cheer. I don't say them to offend but to wish someone a merry holiday. I am NOT going to ask each person if they celebrate it or what their faith is because that's rude and none of my business. People who don't celebrate it have NEVER gotten mad at me for wishing them a Merry Christmas. If they do then nothing I say is going to ever make them happy. Now if I already know for a fact that they're Jewish then obviously I will tell them Happy Hanukkah or Happy Holiday and the same goes for anyone if I already know they celebrate a different holiday.

Merry Christmas to all.
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I may not be religious, but gift giving, trees and decorations are more of a culture thing.

Anyone that gets offended by it can piss off.



Merry fuckin' Christmas.
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lambofgenesis wrote:


kaybono wrote:

I'm a Christian but I don't celebrate Christmas. Many know that Jesus wasn't born in December. And many of the customs associated with Christmas have roots in pagan worship. I have nothing against families getting together and having fun or being peaceable with others. But I feel like that should happen year round, not just at Christmastime.


I know that Christmas is pretty fake both religiously and commercially, but spiritually-speaking, no matter what religion you are (unless it's an evil one lol, like satanism), we can all agree that it's a time of heightened divinity.

I mean, the levels of love and care and high vibrations soar in December. They're good, high vibrations and a peak of joy and love.

So we shouldn't not celebrate Christmas due to its roots, but rather, recognize what it is today. Just like America, which was founded on genocide and conquering innocent, peaceful people, we should just accept and celebrate Christmas for what it is in the present, not for what it was in the past.

When the majority of people are vibrating so high at the same time, why wouldn't you want to join in :)



This. Well said.
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