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Hello all. I am not an active forum member among this community, but i have a very serious opinion that i would like to address.

A couple things before I begin. I am a philosophy student, so my writing will be very much oriented towards a specific style. I will likely have many grammar flaws, but i believe my point should still be considered valid. This is my PERSONAL opinion and preference, and the reason i am posting this here is to gain feedback and responses on you (The reader's) behalf. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This forum post (More like an essay) will be discussing the excessive sexual portrayal of individuals in Anime. I will...
(1) Define in utmost clarity the sexual representation aforementioned. (2) Explain why i believe it truly hinders Anime as a whole, and why it decreases the viewers-value of Anime. (3) Draw conclusions and anecdotal experiences to further solidify the topic at hand.

Some clarification is also in order. I am not discussing whether i believe sexuality in Anime is wrong or permissible, i am merely explaining why i believe it devalues the progression and culture surrounding it. I am not arguing that Anime that does contain the sexual content is bad nor good. I am not critiquing your preferences of Anime. I am not critiquing any particular show or manga, but rather the ideal as a whole. I am not discussing the feminist aspect of these issues, and that is to say my argument has no intention of saying that the topic is degrading or objectifying towards woman. (Though it may be another topic). I am not discussing nudity, but rather the way nudity or other sexual notions are used/surrounded.

(1) The first topic to discuss is the use of "Sexual" content in Anime and the reason why its there. Examples of this include but are not limited to.... Boob grabbing, pantie shots, scantily clad dressing, sexual innuendo, close- drawing (The act of sexual implication), sounds representative of sexual actions....and by now what I am talking about should be clear. More specifically, we can take the case of an Anime where on the first episode, the writers attempt to draw you in by using sexual humor as a tactic.
"A man falls on top of a women and grabs her boobs. The woman then slaps the man."
" A woman is shown with underwear in clear sight, with intense depiction of outline of the genitalia" .
" A woman is shown acting sexually provocative towards another character, while the character acts unknown or embarrassed towards her."
" A woman is tied in representation of sexual bondage"

These are often used as plot devices by writers/developers in order to create interest in the viewer. This pattern has become quite prominent in past couple years and seems to be a reoccurring theme in many Anime. Even in Anime where sexuality is NOT the main focus of the show, (not to say that there are not Anime that do focus on sexuality) it is often fit somewhere into the episode/episodes in order to seem more appealing.

(2) I will now explain why i believe this is detrimental to Anime and its culture. By using sexual evocation towards the viewer, writers and production studios have become reliant on using sexuality as a interest-provocateur for the show.
Viewers as well have also become fond and almost expecting of seeing sexuality occur regularly in new and upcoming shows. By having a large focus on comedic semi-pornographic content or innuendo, i believe it often de-legitimizes the seriousness or even quality of the content.

For example, say im watching an Anime that has great plot mechanics, solid character development, and stunning animation. Then all of the sudden, the main character is somehow involved in a sexual scene often humorous in nature. This, at least for me, completely removes the immersion factor from the show and provokes an un- pleasurable change of emotional evocation. The sexual content does not fit, is not necessary, and could be completely avoided through the episode. The show is not using sexual content as a means for character progression, but rather as a tactic for promoting viewer "interest".

I believe that if this theme of sexuality continues, well made and serious Anime will soon be decreasing in value. If sexuality is unnecessary for character development or plot progression, then it is only being used for one thing: Sexuality. Im not watching Anime for Sexuality, and if i was, i would watch an Echii. If i want sexual content, i would watch adult videos. The sexual content used in these shows is almost like a "Shock factor" in the sense that viewers see sexual provocation, and are triggered to further pursue it through out the show.

Most people enjoy sexy things, i think we can all agree. But, by using sexuality to increase viewers interest of the show, viewers will then pursue further sexual content given by the show. Instead of searching for twists and turns or massive plot changes (character deaths, catastrophes, love interests etc..) viewers may be focused on the sexuality of the show. I like to use an example which i find analogous to this case. Ice cream is very, very good. Sometimes, i like to put sprinkles on my ice cream. But, i only like the sprinkles when they are on ice cream. The ice cream is what makes up most of the flavor. Sprinkles by themselves do not taste good. However, if everyone begins to like sprinkles far more than ice cream, then the ice cream company will begin putting an emphasis on sprinkles instead of the ice cream.

I believe the ice cream case is applicable here. Anime is built of its story, character development, action, drama, love etc. By introducing sexual content as an addition to Anime to increase interest, viewers become more focused on the sexual nature of the show. If viewers become more respondent to the sexual content, than the producers or writers of the show will begin place of focus on the aforementioned sexual content.

(3) To sum things up, i highly believe that sexual proclivity in Anime is decreasing the value of the show for the writers, animators, producers, and viewers. I believe that by promoting this sort of behavior, we are only fueling the fire. By allowing more and more shows to become encumbered by unnecessary, out of place, shock tactic style of humorous sexual material, i believe that shows in the future will be hindered in quality and further focused around sexual proclivity.

Conclusions:
Sorry for the long writing, but this is an important topic for me. Please... be respectful and considerate in the comment section. Remember that this is merely MY PERSONAL OPINION. I am simply looking for feedback, disagreement, or ideas from other people.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read my post, and i genuinely would like to know how YOU (the reader) feel about this topic.

Love and Light,
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There's some people who believes anime will be dead in 5 or 10 years and this is part of the reason why. I find myself dropping a lot of new anime at episode 1 or 2 these days because they're just bad.

I believe the reason this is happening is because of money. The anime industry isn't making a lot of money these days even if they're making high quality anime. So what do they do? They start making anime that will sell, even if it means making the anime itself bad. There's a lot of ideas on the internet as to maybe why the anime industry isn't profiting even if they make awesome anime. I believe these animators can make better anime, and maybe they really do wish to make better anime, but nothing can be done if there's no money coming in.
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Tbh, I really don't care if a show has fan service in it or not. It is how it is. I can see why it bothers some people, but it doesn't make a good show bad in my opinion: even when it's so blatant that I'm literally thinking "wow, okay lol."

The video I linked to you is pretty much what I send whenever someone has a topic regarding the fan service in anime. I pretty much agree with the guy.
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An essay indeed. one that i cant believe i just read!!! I never read anything..

Anyways, I see your point in this topic and i do somewhat agree there is a lot of sexuality in anime's these day but really also just about anything these days! Music, Movies, Shows, Ect. And it does draw attention from viewers but sometimes much more than needed. Changes young childrens personality like "oh this is normal" and acts and dresses upon it. This isn't just a problem in anime but it is starting to become one. I agree.

I usually don't watch much anime that involves this stuff but when i do yes it does disrupt the storyline. I'm sure pervs here are going to be against this topic because well..pervs will be pervs! lol

I think these anime writers are only going off of what is so known today in society. And sexuality happens to be one! No one really remembers to old TV shows that could get millions of views and make tons off of without all the sexuality, drugs, cursing and violence. Today making a show without that doesn't last long because no one is interested anymore. Well it's gonna be no different with anime!

I understand the changes and struggles, but hey it is what it is..
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I think much of the current anime is pretty good nowadays. Wagnaria 3rd season, umaru-chan, One Punch man, Ushio and Tora, and Durarara are some examples.
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And sadly, shows that you want to buy aren't being sold in the US (Macross Frontier, Sister Devil etc etc)
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In regards to this I also think its a massive problem. Look at the continuous number of harem and ecchi shows being pumped out each season compared to a series with say Fate/Stay Night level of story focus and good plot becoming less and less prominent. Its sadly just massive otaku pandering and it clearly sells. Look at that Monster Musume show from last season, its literally fanservice for people with monster girl fetishes mixed with the typical harem crap.

I'm not against this sort of lighthearted show, its fun to turn your brain off and watch every now and then, but when there is so many to watch and barely anything to watch and truly get your teeth into its pretty sad. Look at Gakkou Gurashi. That had massive potential at the start and looked amazing, but quickly switched to the typical Moe blob stuff which just panders to otakus and it clearly worked.
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JammyMan wrote:

In regards to this I also think its a massive problem. Look at the continuous number of harem and ecchi shows being pumped out each season compared to a series with say Fate/Stay Night level of story focus and good plot becoming less and less prominent. Its sadly just massive otaku pandering and it clearly sells. Look at that Monster Musume show from last season, its literally fanservice for people with monster girl fetishes mixed with the typical harem crap.

I'm not against this sort of lighthearted show, its fun to turn your brain off and watch every now and then, but when there is so many to watch and barely anything to watch and truly get your teeth into its pretty sad. Look at Gakkou Gurashi. That had massive potential at the start and looked amazing, but quickly switched to the typical Moe blob stuff which just panders to otakus and it clearly worked.


MM has a good following in the US and helped crabman go from a hentai artist on 2ch to a real manga artist to this. Even being a harem show won't cover it anymore, IS really blew, and oddly enough Rouge Hero failed.


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Thanks for the feedback guys. Id appreciate some more views and conversation if possible.
But thank you non the less for reading my essay.
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BoredGreen wrote:

I think much of the current anime is pretty good nowadays. Wagnaria 3rd season, umaru-chan, One Punch man, Ushio and Tora, and Durarara are some examples.


Thank your for your response (:

However, im not saying that current shows are "bad" nor "good". What im referencing is the sexual implementation to many Anime that have been released lately. I mention at the beginning that im not talking about this making a show bad or good, but rather that it is decreasing future value of Anime.

This is not to say that there arnt shows that dont implement sexuality....such as the ones you mentioned.

Im rather trying to address this idea of sexual proclivity creeping into modern day/popular Anime that often stems from Otaku type culture.
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Tbh, I really don't care if a show has fan service in it or not. It is how it is. I can see why it bothers some people, but it doesn't make a good show bad in my opinion: even when it's so blatant that I'm literally thinking "wow, okay lol."

The video I linked to you is pretty much what I send whenever someone has a topic regarding the fan service in anime. I pretty much agree with the guy.

Its not necessarily bothering, but i believe it encourages a flux in the Anime style or culture that will lead to negative consequences.
I agree with you to an extent, but i do believe this methodology is potentially going to encourage a devaluation for Anime as a whole.
Also, as mentioned above, im really not trying to insist whether its bad or not... i just think it will cause certain changes in the long run.
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It's kind of a boobs arms race at this point.

Maybe if the studios can agree to a season of less fan service (just let Pixiv do it), the genuinely crappy shows relying on boobs will die a la natural selection, and a lot of people who quit watching anime because they feel awkward watching softcore porn all the time might come back.
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reinux wrote:

It's kind of a boobs arms race at this point.

Maybe if the studios can agree to a season of less fan service (just let Pixiv do it), the genuinely crappy shows relying on boobs will die a la natural selection, and a lot of people who quit watching anime because they feel awkward watching softcore porn all the time might come back.


Pixiv only cares about Osomatsu-san now lol. When you miss out on a massive group of people like that, lots of money you could of made. You know in japan they sell fan works, so lot of the nasty people who make those types of things get the money rather than the company. So that is not advisable, to let pixiv get that share.

I think a company like Key has the right idea, don't let fanservice hinder your works but don't avoid it and make lots of ludes when you make physical goods lol.
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To me, it sounds like you are basically saying that pandering is bad. The type of pandering you are addressing is specifically sexual. The problem with this is that pandering exists in all genres. While most people like to believe that pandering exists only in echhi, harem, and moe anime (and I would argue that the moe claim has a lot less validity to it), pandering is even in action shows. Let us consider pandering to be giving an audience what they want at the expense of good writing, characters, plot, etc. By this definition I think many moe shows would not be pandering because they are actually funny, have interesting dialogues, likable and unique characters, good writing, etc (see kyoani shows). The same goes for some harem and ecchi shows, like haganai or mangaka-san to assistant-san to, for example. This is not to say all of the shows of these genres are not pandering. Shows like Love Live, prisma illya, trinity seven, highschool dxd, and so on. But action, romance, comedy, and everything else has pandering too, like (I would argue) Cowboy Bebop, Gurren Lagann, Kill la Kill, UBW, etc. Shows where style or animation is over substance. Even if sexual shows were to die out and that pandering would end, it would just be replaced with pandering to a genre with a bigger audience. For every Fate/Zero or other masterpiece created, there will still be a billion shows without any actual merit created and less shows with sexual pandering just means more shows with pandering in some other genre (at least that's how I see it).
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If you want input on your essay, there should be a part where you explain why this is bad. You circle around it a few times to the effect that fanservice is increasing due to popular demand, which incentivizes writers to create less critically substantial content, and this is bad because it's bad. But you can't leave that a priori, you need to establish why it's bad. Anime is an entertainment industry so isn't it correct for them to respond to consumer input and create shows their audiences want?

You also have to back up that the scenario you've described is happening at all. Especially when you can do a survey of shows from 2015 and come up with a significant number that were both very successful and did not involve sexual enticement. And on the flipside you can also list plenty that do involve some form of sexual or sensual content but are still well respected. And then there are shows from both categories that just bomb horribly. Is there a verifiable trend that supports your thesis?

You're also making a slippery slope argument that if this scenario continues bad things will happen; you need to back up all your claims including that one with arguments that can be tested. It may also be useful to have a more comprehensive model of Japanese media rather than only looking at anime in a vacuum. Do consumers go to anime for a specific, light form of entertainment as a rule, while they pursue heavier experiences in other media? If so, why is that a bad thing?
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