Post Reply Doing something that negatively impacts someone is wrong
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Posted 12/15/15
This is something i have heard and the general idea is doing something that Negatively impacts someone is wrong and shouldn't be done.

Now this can be direct or indirect.
Now doing something to negatively impact someone for the wrong reasons is wrong but anyhow.
Problem is whilst it is something to keep in mind there are ALOT of times where this is just wrong.


If you do something that impacts someone positively alot of the time atleast one person will be impacted negatively.
for example Tommy and Jimmy are going for a job the boss picks Tommy uh oh it negatively impacted Jimmy.

In that situation it is not wrong in my opinion as it was a call that needed to be made.


Indirectly ...well i like the old you meet a women and have kids and your kid murders someone.
You just indirectly created a murderer by having kids GOOD JOB!

Except that is not how it works sure your actions indirectly caused the problem to even having a chance to exist in the first place however that is not your fault and does not make a person bad.

That however is a far off example a better one would be Tommy gets hired instead of Jimmy...because he applied for the job he indirectly impacted Jimmy.



Bad examples i know but i just wanted to point out how stupid i feel the statement of "Doing something that negatively impacts someone is wrong" is in alot of situations.
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Posted 12/15/15
Maybe the parents raised the kid badly and beat them which encouraged them to murder someone.
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Your overthinking it.

Just do the best you can, and if the ____ hits the fan, even with your best efforts then
TOO BAD.

You tried

That's all anybody can do as a human being. If you let everything negative that comes from your actions affect you then eventually you'll be afraid to do anything due to indecision and fear that it will hurt someone.

And if someone does something bad, whatever that is, how is that your fault? They have a brain and a conscious, and if they aren't using it to make wise choices, again, how is that your fault? Even if you DID do something to negatively affect them, that's life. Life isn't perfect. Some days.....Life just sucks. You have to take a deep breath, pull up your bootstraps, and jump back into the fray. Don't let others blame you for their mistakes.
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Everything has a negative effect. So what you're basically saying isn't hat you should do nothing...even though that would have a negative effect on you?

I don't think you really thought this subject out, OP.
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What if doing nothing is having a negative effect on someone else? You can't win this this argument. Every person needs to practice good self care. You can't just live trying not to affect others without regard to yourself.
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Morality systems generally fall apart at unforeseen technicalities like the one you proposed. Your overthinking them. Morality systems are essentially good outlines of conduct people should follow, they exist to help society as a whole function and they cant be broken on the simplest technicalities out there.
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Negative is subjective, in my opinion so it's hard to get around to defining it in the first place.

Also moral systems just like any logical system are subject to logic so if you can exceptions then there's a flaw.
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I am not sure I am seeing what I think I am seeing here
Posted 12/15/15

GrandMasterTime wrote:

Negative is subjective, in my opinion so it's hard to get around to defining it in the first place.

Also moral systems just like any logical system are subject to logic so if you can exceptions then there's a flaw.

I don't know. Some say harm is a cross between objective and subjective. Harm is the basis for which are laws are created to ban certain items, whether they be harmful to society or harmful to certain individuals. Is harm objective?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Negative is subjective, in my opinion so it's hard to get around to defining it in the first place.

Also moral systems just like any logical system are subject to logic so if you can exceptions then there's a flaw.

I don't know. Some say harm is a cross between objective and subjective. Harm is the basis for which are laws are created to ban certain items, whether they be harmful to society or harmful to certain individuals. Is harm objective?


Laws =/ morality, also if harm was the basis of our laws then eating fast food would be against the law.

The definition of harm also necessitates something "negative" occurring to someone.
Posted 12/15/15

GrandMasterTime wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Negative is subjective, in my opinion so it's hard to get around to defining it in the first place.

Also moral systems just like any logical system are subject to logic so if you can exceptions then there's a flaw.

I don't know. Some say harm is a cross between objective and subjective. Harm is the basis for which are laws are created to ban certain items, whether they be harmful to society or harmful to certain individuals. Is harm objective?


Laws =/ morality, also if harm was the basis of our laws then eating fast food would be against the law.

The definition of harm also necessitates something "negative" occurring to someone.


I never said laws=Morality. I was just asking a question while musing. Jeez, why you got to go and make me sound stupid?
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It is the cycle of life. Anything you do indirectly affects me. Anything I do indirectly affects you. Continuous loop.
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Posted 12/15/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Negative is subjective, in my opinion so it's hard to get around to defining it in the first place.

Also moral systems just like any logical system are subject to logic so if you can exceptions then there's a flaw.

I don't know. Some say harm is a cross between objective and subjective. Harm is the basis for which are laws are created to ban certain items, whether they be harmful to society or harmful to certain individuals. Is harm objective?


Laws =/ morality, also if harm was the basis of our laws then eating fast food would be against the law.

The definition of harm also necessitates something "negative" occurring to someone.


I never said laws=Morality. I was just asking a question while musing. Jeez, why you got to go and make me sound stupid?


I never said that you said laws are equal to morality . You didn't sound stupid either. I also checked a definition of harm and it seems it's mostly about physical injury that is deliberately caused.
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Posted 12/15/15
The idea is to try not to harm people through your actions. For example, in certain states in the U.S., it is illegal to leave your gun outside of a locked gun safe when you are not attending it. The idea is that you have accountability for your posessions, even if someone else shoots somebody with your gun.

Extend the idea to accountability for your actions; do they facilitate or enable others to harm themselves or others? If you sell drugs to people, it doesn't mean they will use them, but you are responsible and it is illegal. Don't concern yourself with anything less direct than the two examples listed above, or you will become insane, because every action affects others.

When I got disqualified from military service, I considered suicide because I felt useless and didn't want to be a burden on others by living and eating their food, unable to pay for it. This is an unhealthy mindset. Just do what you do, try to be nice, but know there is a limit to reasonable accountability.
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what if you just want to be a ninja tho?
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