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/facepalm


Also, you never answered the question.


I'm totally FOR paying ANY and ALL former slaves...AND their first generation of children, TOO! Let's totally do that. Please.


Well because your question is stupid.


In that the answer was obvious, or that the answer makes reparations pointless.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


/facepalm


Also, you never answered the question.


I'm totally FOR paying ANY and ALL former slaves...AND their first generation of children, TOO! Let's totally do that. Please.


Well because your question is stupid.


In that the answer was obvious, or that the answer makes reparations pointless.


Or that your question was stupid.
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We start paying this kind of shit out then the next thing that's going to happen is we'll have to start paying out Asians, Native Americans and pretty much anyone that cries about an event in history to give them a cut as well.

People born these days and in the past couple generations have no fucking excuse. None.

There's already enough handouts being given in this country and you see how that's going. People need to stop looking for a break or pointing to the past and get off their asses to make a future for themselves.

Had this discussion so many times with blacks (many whom are my friends) and not one has ever agreed with reparations. Who are the ones asking for this anyways? Unless it's someone directly affected by slavery then they need to shut the hell up. They have no argument.
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I think my fellow blacks do need reparations, but not in the way of monetary gain. The effects of PTSD(Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome) is still in effect to this day. Think about it, after slavery ended, blacks were pretty much told to get over it and move on. Now with that being said, think about how the former slaves who later had children raised their own, and this behavior continues from generation to generation getting worse each time, it will still effect(and it still does) blacks today. But at this point in the game its too late to undo the damage.There isnt any sort of counseling that can counter it. And if your interested in getting more in-depth with Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome here is a video that can hit on more points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYug__74TA

And on the subject of blaming whites today for slavery, its stupid. A lot of whites in this country came AFTER slavery ended, and on top of that most of the whites who were in America during Slavery didnt even have the money to own slaves and were in the fields doing manual work with them(i.e where the term Redneck originates from). So as far as im concerned you have no reason to feel anything towards it. You guys are absolved in my book.

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Um no. It basically argued "blacks have the highest standard of living in the world in america". Thats true but its still below white people. I still think reparations are deserved. It was a rather weak article in my view.


From whom?


Government.


Your country contains more than just white slave owner descendants and black slave descendants. Different minority groups and people who had immigrated into the country after slavery ended would be paying from their pockets for something they'd have nothing to do with. Or am I wrong about how exactly the government would get this money?
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I've got some criticism in regard to the last one.


When General Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant, it had been nearly 20 years since Lee owned slaves—he freed his slaves in the late 1840s. In 1856, five years before the Civil War started, he wrote that slavery was "a moral and political evil." On the other hand, General Grant STILL owned slaves at the end of the Civil War, because Abe Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation cleverly outlawed slavery only in the South. Grant had stated that he would refuse to fight if he thought the war had anything to do with slavery. And hey, kids, even if it WAS fought to end slavery, how often do you see the descendants of slaves thanking the 600,000 or so white soldiers who died in the fight to free them?


The use of Robert E. Lee as some figurehead for the entirety of the Confederate cause is an annoying overexaggeration of his importance born of the romanticism and whitewashing that comes with the myth of the Lost Cause. He was a general. He didn't decide on the nation's policies -- his role was on the battlefield of war, not the battlefield of politics. People can talk all they like about how wonderful and noble he was, but that doesn't suddenly redeem and justify the Confederacy as a concept and country. So Robert E. Lee didn't own slaves. That's fine and dandy; good for him. But it has absolutely zero value in determining the motives and ideals of an entire rebellious movement. "Good people can and do fight for bad causes," is the most basic fact I can think of in regard to history.

Also, while it wasn't fought to end slavery it's MOST DEFINITELY worth noting that it was fought to stop the expansion of it. While the fact is correct in technicality, I could certainly see people being misled by it not giving the full story -- even if that full story is basic history.
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Your country contains more than just white slave owner descendants and black slave descendants. Different minority groups and people who had immigrated into the country after slavery ended would be paying from their pockets for something they'd have nothing to do with. Or am I wrong about how exactly the government would get this money?


Yeah thats kinda how taxes work. Thats life dude.
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I've got some criticism in regard to the last one.


When General Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant, it had been nearly 20 years since Lee owned slaves—he freed his slaves in the late 1840s. In 1856, five years before the Civil War started, he wrote that slavery was "a moral and political evil." On the other hand, General Grant STILL owned slaves at the end of the Civil War, because Abe Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation cleverly outlawed slavery only in the South. Grant had stated that he would refuse to fight if he thought the war had anything to do with slavery. And hey, kids, even if it WAS fought to end slavery, how often do you see the descendants of slaves thanking the 600,000 or so white soldiers who died in the fight to free them?


The use of Robert E. Lee as some figurehead for the entirety of the Confederate cause is an annoying overexaggeration of his importance born of the romanticism and whitewashing that comes with the myth of the Lost Cause. He was a general. He didn't decide on the nation's policies -- his role was on the battlefield of war, not the battlefield of politics. People can talk all they like about how wonderful and noble he was, but that doesn't suddenly redeem and justify the Confederacy as a concept and country. So Robert E. Lee didn't own slaves. That's fine and dandy; good for him. But it has absolutely zero value in determining the motives and ideals of an entire rebellious movement. "Good people can and do fight for bad causes," is the most basic fact I can think of in regard to history.

Also, while it wasn't fought to end slavery it's MOST DEFINITELY worth noting that it was fought to stop the expansion of it. While the fact is correct in technicality, I could certainly see people being misled by it not giving the full story -- even if that full story is basic history.


It also should be noted that slavery had huge benefits to the land owners in the south who by proxy had a huge influence on politics. With the north and federal law largely moving towards the outlawing of slavery they would push there money behind politicians who were for seceding. So in a roundabout way it was about slavery.
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Posted 12/21/15 , edited 12/21/15
Also, the article is in desperate need of a bibliography.

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megahobbit wrote:

It also should be noted that slavery had huge benefits to the land owners in the south who by proxy had a huge influence on politics. With the north and federal law largely moving towards the outlawing of slavery they would push there money behind politicians who were for seceding. So in a roundabout way it was about slavery.


This is also a good read.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/
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Also, the article is in desperate need of a bibliography.


A biblio-whatnow?
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I think my fellow blacks do need reparations, but not in the way of monetary gain. The effects of PTSD(Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome) is still in effect to this day. Think about it, after slavery ended, blacks were pretty much told to get over it and move on. Now with that being said, think about how the former slaves who later had children raised their own, and this behavior continues from generation to generation getting worse each time, it will still effect(and it still does) blacks today. But at this point in the game its too late to undo the damage.There isnt any sort of counseling that can counter it. And if your interested in getting more in-depth with Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome here is a video that can hit on more points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYug__74TA

And on the subject of blaming whites today for slavery, its stupid. A lot of whites in this country came AFTER slavery ended, and on top of that most of the whites who were in America during Slavery didnt even have the money to own slaves and were in the fields doing manual work with them(i.e where the term Redneck originates from). So as far as im concerned you have no reason to feel anything towards it. You guys are absolved in my book.



This guy is on the right track. Money isn't going to fix years and years of getting fucked over. Particular people in office throughout certain terms made sure of this. Not going to go into detail on this because it's too much crap to explain but as dragon said the mindset is a problem. As is the negative aspects of their culture (and just so we're clear, I'm not talking about all black culture, just the shitty parts that get glorified too much) that aren't helping the youth any, priorities focused on the wrong issues, etc. Plenty of shit wrong and it all adds up to where the situation is now.

The people asking for money aren't looking to fix the current issues blacks face.
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megahobbit wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Your country contains more than just white slave owner descendants and black slave descendants. Different minority groups and people who had immigrated into the country after slavery ended would be paying from their pockets for something they'd have nothing to do with. Or am I wrong about how exactly the government would get this money?


Yeah thats kinda how taxes work. Thats life dude.


Don't want to come out as arrogant or anything but "That's life dude" isn't an argument. I'll just leave it here I guess.
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Also, the article is in desperate need of a bibliography.


Its Vice. Its more adept for reporting on fucked up internet shit than actually important topics like slavery reparations.

I mean its biggest influence was Answer Me so what should we expect.
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Posted 12/21/15

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A biblio-whatnow?


The references you had to list at the end of every term paper you wrote.
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megahobbit wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:

Your country contains more than just white slave owner descendants and black slave descendants. Different minority groups and people who had immigrated into the country after slavery ended would be paying from their pockets for something they'd have nothing to do with. Or am I wrong about how exactly the government would get this money?


Yeah thats kinda how taxes work. Thats life dude.


So you would punish every race in America for the past. Gotcha

On the subject reparations are already being paid in the form of grants only for black students to go to college, diversity quotas in the workplace and if you're a minority that chooses to go to school in an area the has very few of said minority they qualify for more money.
http://www.collegescholarships.org/grants/minority.htm
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