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Post Reply For those who believe in slavery reparations....
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Posted 12/22/15 , edited 12/22/15

ProxyE wrote:


descloud wrote:

It's a touchy subject.

But......Africans were enslaving and selling themselves to other tribes long before Columbus.


and?


The point is a lot of people try to make this whole thing into a race issue. The "evil" and "cruel" white ancestors enslaves and tormented the blacks and that is why we're all horrible people and need to pay reparations for being the scum of the earth. or at least that is what they might as well be saying given how some of these people who support reparations in this day and age act.

But the point he was getting at is Africans were selling their enemy tribes as slaves and those sold as slaves would have done the same thing if they had won the battle. So the idea they were all innocent civilians who did nothing wrong and were living quiet and peaceful lives until out ancestors came and took them away is nonsense. They were perfectly willing to support the slavery system if it meant they could sell their enemies for goods.

Does that make what our ancestors did okay? No of course not. But it does mean they weren't the innocent victims people tend to paint them as.

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blah blah complaining about taxes once again ^


I'm not complaining about them as a whole. I'm just saying why should I pay more for things I didn't do so people can get free money for things that didn't happen to them?

All your doing is acting like a smart ass and disregarding the question instead of answering it.

So how about it? Can you give even one logical reason to have something like this still in place?
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I agree but thats the only thing you guys have to argue about
'' you know your ancestors sold you guys in slavery '' BLAH BLAH

BUT no one said we were '' innocent , or peaceful''
your ancestors tend to stick there head into things and they arent even wanted

for example the native americans , oh look your ancestors decided hey ill come in and barge in
and give diseases an not even care.
but hey its history
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Posted 12/22/15

ProxyE wrote:



I agree but thats the only thing you guys have to argue about
'' you know your ancestors sold you guys in slavery '' BLAH BLAH

BUT no one said we were '' innocent , or peaceful''
your ancestors tend to stick there head into things and they arent even wanted

for example the native americans , oh look your ancestors decided hey ill come in and barge in
and give diseases an not even care.
but hey its history


The reason we bring up the "Innocent" thing is because when these issues pop up you tend to have a few who will go "But our ancestors did so many horrible things to them blah blah blah" and will talk like they were complete victims and we were monsters attacking and abducting them from their homes.

But like you said it's history so why are we still obessing over it to the point we're still paying for it today? That is the matter we are discussing. Not how innocent or guilty people are in the end and not who did what a few hundred years ago. The point is none of that stuff should matter anymore because none of us experienced that in anyway.

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but MY ANCESTORS did . lmao half of my family comes from Georgia ,
im pretty shure my great great grandparents experienced slavery. so please
dont tell me to get over it , tell them & you'll see there reaction of how dumb you are

now have a good day (:
Posted 12/22/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Um no. It basically argued "blacks have the highest standard of living in the world in america". Thats true but its still below white people. I still think reparations are deserved. It was a rather weak article in my view.


How is slavery affecting black people of today?


I don't know. The question is, would they even be here?
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There are two types of men in this world, the men who beg for what they think they deserve and the men who work to subsidize the cost of their own lives. I worked to subsidize the cost of my life, my money shall remain mine.
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ProxyE wrote:



but MY ANCESTORS did . lmao half of my family comes from Georgia ,
im pretty shure my great great grandparents experienced slavery. so please
dont tell me to get over it , tell them & you'll see there reaction of how dumb you are

now have a good day (:

No you're the dumb one as you are either missing or ignoring the entire point. Who care what your great great grandparents experienced? How does this effect you? How does anyone today deserve or owe anything for what no one today did or experienced? This isn't about what happened way back when it's about today and what we should do about it. We can't change the past but we can move past it and focus on here and now.

And here and now no one has experienced slavery and we've already spent decades since them paying reparations to those people and their children. So our ancestors have payed the dues they could.

We shouldn't have to do anything for what our ancestors did or experienced. That was them and this is us. Asking for money for things that never even happened to you or just greedy and selfish and is taking advantage of your own ancestors suffering to get a payout from people who never even did anything to have to pay for.


People seriously need to stop obsessing over the past so much.
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I think everyone missed the point. The article isn't arguing that slavery wasn't bad, it's arguing that slavery wasn't exclusive to blacks, and that current white generations that are completely dissociated with those events shouldn't be made to feel guilty. Even OP stated in the title that this is about reparations, not your need to rant about how terrible slavery really was. They're right, black slavery in America gets a massive headline compared to the hundreds of millions of other slaves that have existed, or still do exist. You don't see me complaining about asking the Japanese or Spanish for reparations because my father's family is Filipino, do you? I agree what they did was horrible, but I don't expect apologies and money from their current generation, BECAUSE IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT. My mother's side of the family were poor Hungarian immigrants just two generations ago. You tell me I owe you anything because I'm white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsxg0ypjSl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
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Scooty-Bby wrote: Who cares? I didnt own a slave, so why would I pay reparations?
Yeah, got nothing to do with anyone of us (for the most part).
and yes there is sometimes stirred communites when black people just using slavery for all cind of reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKiMRpufoM

and its not much you can do about the past since its in the past.


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every year they'll ask for this?

Till the end of time?
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I dont consider taxes to be a punishment. Its a civil duty.


Excellent, then you should have no problem just thinking about things in a different way. Just think about it as if the government is paying reparations, but there is a 100% tax rate on reparations. I mean, you understand how taxes work, so you realize that different rates can be charged for different things (higher rate on tips, much higher rate on bonuses). So, the rate is just part of your civil duty.

Hey, then everyone could be happy. You could assume that you are getting reparations for "black" people (taxed at 100%). Native Americans could assume they are getting reparations (taxed at 100%) for what was done to their societies. White people with ancestors that experienced slavery could assume they are getting reparations for that (taxed at 100%).

This way, we don't even have to give the government more money, to throw at pet projects for their buddies, or give (money or tax breaks) to corporations, so they can be put on the payroll after their time in office.
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descloud wrote:

It's a touchy subject.

But......Africans were enslaving and selling themselves to other tribes long before Columbus.


Ehhh I think it comes down to the difference between slavery and servitude. Among the other tribes you was under servitude but still treated with a certain amount of dignity. I don't want to go to far but like a extended part of the family but you was still under servitude. The Europeans had a barbaric system that went far beyond servitude. In African even if you sold to another tribe you was still treated like a human you wasn't going to be beat or killed for learning how to read...
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I feel like the article is really condescending. Almost like it's trying to push the notion of "get over it"
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IShouldBeStudying wrote:

I feel like the article is really condescending. Almost like it's trying to push the notion of "get over it"


Same. I couldn't even read the whole thing because of that.
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Food stamps, welfare, WIC, Section 8 housing, etc. ... there's your reparations.
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