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Trigger warning! This story and video may be unsuitable viewing for the “safe space” crowd.

Looking to understand just how controversial the debate over free speech on our college campuses really is, filmmaker and satirist Ami Horowitz recently traveled to Yale University, one of our nation’s most prestigious institutions of higher learning, to speak directly to students.

“I decided to take this campus free speech debate to its logical conclusion,” said Horowitz, who asked students if they’d sign a petition calling for an outright repeal of the First Amendment. “The result was this unbelievable display of total stupidity.”

In fact, Horowitz discovered a solid majority of the students asked willingly signed the petition, with several expressing their enthusiastic approval for his anti-First Amendment efforts.

“I think it’s really awesome that you’re out here,” said one student.

Watch the video to find out just how many supported the petition, and how willing many students were to sign away their more basic rights of free speech and expression.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/yale-fail-ivy-leaguers-caught-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment.html



In other words, millennials sign petition to repeal their right to sign petitions.

Why am I not surprised.
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Yale.

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To be fair: American students don't know dick about civics and government (they don't seem to care either). So much emphasis has been placed on reading and mathematics that everything else has been shafted to the side. Still, you're in fucking Yale of all places.
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Friendly reminder that these are real people who will someday hold positions of power, and that terrifies me.
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Yea those students are stupid.
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And then people wonder / hate the fact that lawyers can control so many things.....
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D4nc3Style wrote:

Friendly reminder that these are real people who will someday hold positions of power, and that terrifies me.


Authoritarian regimes and autocracy have been the norm for the majority of human history. Democracy and freedom is just a brief blip in history.
Posted 12/22/15
Yeah, their petition will belong in the trash can with every other useless petitions in history.
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Nothing but facepalms
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They're very unsafe at Yale university. Don't you guys understand? Those poor, underprivileged, and oppressed students at Yale.

Yale.

Yale.

Yale.

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Yeah this video isnt edited to shit in a way that would benefit fox. Ive read a ton of shit on the web that seems to indicate they misled people into signing said petition and lied about its contents.
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It's made by Fox sooo I can't say I could trust the video at all, it's too easy to spin their video a way to fuel their own prerogative.

There was one thing that got me though, the whole 'living, breathing document, and that the people of the past don't know how we live.' Any other amendment and people would be up in arms on tackling their freedom.
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You know that French Legion citizenship is looking more promising every second now to me.
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Here's a direct link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJVZa9_Ha5c

The thing to bear in mind is that this was actually a data collection exercise comparable to surveying. Some things I notice are that:

1. The conversations Horowitz points to seem to be primarily taking place at one location at one particular time of day.

2. Horowitz did not ensure that he did not impact the results by collecting signatures personally (see the conversation at 1:10).

3. The context of each selected conversation is not provided, so we have no assurance that they're comparable beyond Horowitz' word.

4. Given the research question it is both allowable and necessary for Horowitz to clearly explain what the first amendment is in a way that does not impact the results (yes, even for Yale students).

Horowitz could be forgiven for injecting social bias into the conversations since that's technically part of the experiment, but he did not ever show himself fully explaining the first amendment to anyone and didn't seem to be controlling the method for injecting social bias. He varied his case extremely widely between 1:15-1:37 and may have misled subjects as to his petition's purpose in the process.

So what we're left with is a presentation of a survey with apparently non-random sampling, evidenced confounding surveyor effects, uncontrolled and deliberate social biasing, no evidence that the question was fully explained to subjects prior to collecting answers, and potentially misleading explanations of purpose. Think about that design.

Now, something else that's important to bear in mind is that Horowitz is a film activist who has openly stated that his inspirational figure was Michael Moore. It is also worthy of mention that Horowitz is a contributor to Fox News, not merely someone Fox News is reporting on. This video is actually one among many installments Horowitz has submitted to Fox, presumably for pay. That puts the data collection methods, presentation of results, and purpose of the work into much needed context.
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