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Posted 12/22/15

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Vikings

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Caucasians, for them to be so civilized they were truly savages throughout history from Africa to the Americas and then their own civilizations they killed, raped, and wherever they touched down and that is why I seriously question the discovery and colonization of the Americas and Africa and the ancestors of my Black ass was chillin' over there until somebody had to be jive like damn.
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Also, if you've ever read Eaters of the Dead, by Michael Crichton (Made into the movie The 13th Warrior) it is supposedly based off of a true account.

If this is the case then that true account suggests that some neanderthals were still living at the same time as Homo Sapien... and that there were conflicts between them and the Vikings at some point.

Supposing this is all true, and that you are including all species of mankind.... them... the Eaters of the Dead were the worst.


Unfortunately... the "true account" was completely fictional.


The "true account" part comes from the fact that Ahmad ibn Fadlan did exist and he did interact with viking culture. His account is really something cool to read.
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The Mongols.

When Genghis Khan conquered China he initially wanted to kill everyone there to make more room for horse grazing. He stopped when one of his advisers pointed out that live men paid more taxes than dead.

According to some sources they may have killed or forcibly deported up to 90% of the population of Persia.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

Also, if you've ever read Eaters of the Dead, by Michael Crichton (Made into the movie The 13th Warrior) it is supposedly based off of a true account.

If this is the case then that true account suggests that some neanderthals were still living at the same time as Homo Sapien... and that there were conflicts between them and the Vikings at some point.

Supposing this is all true, and that you are including all species of mankind.... them... the Eaters of the Dead were the worst.


Unfortunately... the "true account" was completely fictional.


The "true account" part comes from the fact that Ahmad ibn Fadlan did exist and he did interact with viking culture. His account is really something cool to read.


Yeah.... no. Ahmad ibn Fadlan did not exist, and in fact his account is a complete work of fiction by Michael Crichton.



imdb.com/title/tt0120657/trivia?item=tr0649599
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Posted 12/22/15 , edited 12/22/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:

Also, if you've ever read Eaters of the Dead, by Michael Crichton (Made into the movie The 13th Warrior) it is supposedly based off of a true account.

If this is the case then that true account suggests that some neanderthals were still living at the same time as Homo Sapien... and that there were conflicts between them and the Vikings at some point.

Supposing this is all true, and that you are including all species of mankind.... them... the Eaters of the Dead were the worst.


Unfortunately... the "true account" was completely fictional.


The "true account" part comes from the fact that Ahmad ibn Fadlan did exist and he did interact with viking culture. His account is really something cool to read.


Yeah.... no. Ahmad ibn Fadlan did not exist, and in fact his account is a complete work of fiction by Michael Crichton.



imdb.com/title/tt0120657/trivia?item=tr0649599


I can find no other corroboration besides this IMDB page that he was a hoax so try better.
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Posted 12/22/15

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Caucasians, for them to be so civilized they were truly savages throughout history from Africa to the Americas and then their own civilizations they killed, raped, and wherever they touched down and that is why I seriously question the discovery and colonization of the Americas and Africa and the ancestors of my Black ass was chillin' over there until somebody had to be jive like damn.



Ranwolf wrote:

I am going to go with the general Caucasian population. No one else holds a candle to their cruelty and capacity for greed. I mean they tried to conquer the damn world through military might, economic might, and more horrific methods including crude biological warfare. They preformed genocide on the populations of the land mass known as North America, turned the peoples of Africa into a freaking trading commodity, forced Asian cultures like the Japanese to open up their borders.

I mean just look at the breadth of history savage doesn't even begin to describe what the Caucasian civilization has done in the past. Or is still doing really, after all they allow white supremacy groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis to operate openly.


These pretty much sum it up.
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Posted 12/22/15
In regard to thread topic: Assigning moral judgements is a very poor way to begin a history discussion.


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I don't really care about Aztecs or Mongols. To me, nothing can topple the barbarity that Christian civilizations practiced for over a thousand years; what they did, not only to other civilizations, but to their own, citizens, family members, flesh and blood, and for what, a self-righteous quest for immortality, or for an audience with- or a seat next to a figment of their imagination. The shit that Christians did is uncontested. And these guys amusingly enough called other civilizations savages, while they scourged through the planet, faster than the bubonic plague.

I read about Genghis Khan a long time ago, and his regime was brutal, their body count immense, but I cannot for the life of me change my mind about Christians. The Christian body count is far higher, and their methods far worse. They were far worse than any religious based civilization that has ever been. They were far worse than any totalitarian regime known to man. They were far worse than the Aztecs, the Mongols, anyone and everyone. Decapitation? Burning? That was far from the worst they did, and it was far from a fraction of the methods they devised to torture and kill innocent people. I mean, these guys would rip people apart at their limbs. They would tie up families and drown them together. They would pour hot lead into women's wombs. POUR HOT LEAD INTO WOMEN'S WOMBS. First, they invented hell, and then, they created hell on Earth. Christians were, and to a degree still is, the devil, the pure evil that they sought to drive out from existence.

For over a thousand years.

A common mistake a lot of people make is associating European punishment methods with Christianity. In fact, the majority of religious persecution was carried out by the secular courts. During the middle ages, it was preferable to get a trial by ecclesiastical courts for cases of heresy or witchcraft, rather than to seek a secular venue, which was more likely to inflict serious corporal punishment. Ecclesiastical courts were primarily interested in getting a recantation of heresy and were capable of inflicting "spiritual" punishment, such as excommunication, which at the time was considered to be a much more severe punishment than death of the body.
On the other hand, it was the secular state courts during the height of European religious upheaval (sparked by the Protestant Reformation) that were responsible for the majority of trials and executions of heretics and alleged witches.

The use of torture as a punishment in and of itself by European state authorities should not really be surprising since these were essentially authoritarian regimes that relied on fear and intimidation at time when religious justifications for the rule of the king, prince, duke, etc. were challenged by religious heterodoxy.
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Posted 12/22/15

dragontackle wrote:


Markest1 wrote:

Caucasians, for them to be so civilized they were truly savages throughout history from Africa to the Americas and then their own civilizations they killed, raped, and wherever they touched down and that is why I seriously question the discovery and colonization of the Americas and Africa and the ancestors of my Black ass was chillin' over there until somebody had to be jive like damn.



Ranwolf wrote:

I am going to go with the general Caucasian population. No one else holds a candle to their cruelty and capacity for greed. I mean they tried to conquer the damn world through military might, economic might, and more horrific methods including crude biological warfare. They preformed genocide on the populations of the land mass known as North America, turned the peoples of Africa into a freaking trading commodity, forced Asian cultures like the Japanese to open up their borders.

I mean just look at the breadth of history savage doesn't even begin to describe what the Caucasian civilization has done in the past. Or is still doing really, after all they allow white supremacy groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis to operate openly.


These pretty much sum it up.


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megahobbit wrote:

I can find no other corroboration besides this IMDB page that he was a hoax so try better.


Or... you could use your head and google translate "Fraus Dolus" to verify that the information is accurate (which it is).... rather than acting like an ignorant, spoiled, 17-year-old brat.
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Posted 12/22/15
I would have have to say modern North Korea is pretty brutal!
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Posted 12/23/15
I'd say the Mongols were pretty brutal.
Posted 12/23/15

Ranwolf wrote:

I mean just look at the breadth of history savage doesn't even begin to describe what the Caucasian civilization has done in the past. Or is still doing really, after all they allow white supremacy groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis to operate openly.


I thought an American like yourself would tolerate dissent. Difference between tolerating and accepting ya know.
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The town I made in sim city.
It was so bad I didn't even need a natural disaster to burn down.
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