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Posted 12/23/15

Dark_Alma wrote:


macht_gut wrote:

I blame their parents for failing to do their part to expose their children to defeat. Claiming everyone is a winner in sports, reinforces the idea that everything is about me. The lessons I learn while growing up was my defeats.


Triggered. I need to go to a safe spot now. Thanks. God. So cruel.


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Posted 12/23/15
Im for them.
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Posted 12/24/15
Full disclosure -- I've never encountered a 'safe space' as such in University or the institutional sense that's seems to be in discussion in popular media, so I may be misunderstanding the concept a bit. However, as I understand it, I think the core pieces of 'safe spaces' have been around for at least a couple centuries, and almost certainly longer.

Friendship in a lot of ways is a sort of 'safe space.' When you surround yourself with like-minded people, people with whom you have a lot in common, this often leads to a sort of coalescing and mutual supporting of ideas that not everyone holds. Friendship, in a lot of ways, is the exclusion of people who vehemently disagree with your very mode of being. And in fact, there have been writers that have warned about the dangers of pleasant society for centuries. C.S. Lewis, actually, explicitly talks about these dangers in The Four Loves. Often, when faced with a world of pluralism, where many people hold different views, people become attracted to others that share similar ones. This can often lead to a feeling of solidarity and encouragement which, in its best cases, can produce greatness in opposition to popular societal norms. The feeling of standing up to a perceived wrongness in the world order.

Friends, in a lot of ways are a way to support your own ideas. People have been building 'safe spaces' around them for at least centuries, and quite probably longer. When I go to visit my Christian family, as a lone atheist, they often seem as though they've never looked at some very basic issues in their faith, and often feel, I suppose, attacked and violated by my criticisms, which I try to make politely as possible. It's not, I think, that they feel I'm insulting as such, but rather that they've surrounded themselves with like-minded individuals that support their views without any need to look to alternatives. When disagreement enters the picture, no less from a family member, their safe space has been violated. A key point in having friends, in fact, is a smoothing of insecurities -- a place where you don't constantly feel as though you're at odds with the world. A safe space.

The problem, I think with 'safe spaces,' as such, is two-fold.

1. Whereas 'classical safe spaces' -- friendships -- have the benefit of solidarity and can often encourage a shared passion, the relative anonymity of a University Safe Space ejects all the nice results of friendship, while only retaining the function of covering up one's insecurities. Insecurities have always been around, and having people around that accept those insecurities has also been around. Just think of all the fiction that has resulted from imagining those moments when the people you trust the most fundamentally disagree with you -- people can feel betrayed. Your 'safe space' has been violated, and falling outs occur. This happens in most relationships. The problem with these University Safe Spaces is not that they cover up one's insecurities -- this is already a common function in relationships. The problem is that they do only that, and nothing further. They have all the bad parts of friendship, with none of the payoff.

2. In a friendship, dissenting forces are excluded because they interfere with a common goal. However, when you try to say that a University should be a safe space, you are saying that everyone ought to share your goals. There is no shared vision to work towards, and even worse, valid goals are excluded out of insecurity. It is stagnation in the purest sense. In institutionalizing a safe space, you are are attempting to compel, by force, the exclusion of dissenting voices. This is a bad idea.

The thing that people complain about most with these safe spaces -- the smoothing of insecurities and the exclusion of dissension -- has been around forever. Whereas the classical solution was small-scale grouping together of like-minded individuals -- friendships, clubs, etc. -- the University Safe Space is a solution that says everyone should share the same opinions. That's bullshit, and is a huge step back. There are good things and bad things about having the support of others, but Safe Spaces, as such, take away most of the good things, and leave only the more dubious aspects.
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Posted 12/24/15
When stuff goes too far, part N
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Posted 12/24/15
Id sooner step foot into a community college than these overprivileged IVY league schools. They dont know shit about reality.
Posted 12/24/15 , edited 12/24/15
Depends. In order to promote tolerance you have to promote intolerance of intolerance. You can tolerate such factors, but you can ban a wide array of speeches that are related to a topic. Let's be honest, no one should accept intolerance as a part of life. It must be vigorously opposed while at the same time tolerated in peaceful conditions. College isn't the place for hate speech in my opinion. They can tolerate any club, meeting or association they want or not that is conducive to the learning environment.



Here's what I think the main idea is. We won't tolerate bigotry. And I think that is ultimately a good thing. We don't tolerate sexism, we don't tolerate racism, so why on earth should we tolerate bigotry against LGBT people?
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Posted 12/24/15
If we are including things such as domestic violence shelter, homeless shelters etc. etc. as safe spaces then they do have a place. However, the word has been completely bastardised by millennials to the point where it’s almost becoming comedic.

For example, needing a safe space because Christina Hoff Sommers is giving a lecture is quite frankly laughable.

I'd say Richard Dawkins summed up "safe spaces" (at universities) rather well



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Posted 12/24/15
People today are just little bitches. Safe places are as useful as Gun Free Zones.
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I'm looking at the definition, and I don't see why it is a bad thing. I don't know. I'm not a conservative person.
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Posted 12/24/15 , edited 12/24/15
What they mean is a space that agrees solely with their narrative. And if by implementing a safe space they mean putting stickers and shoddy signs everywhere, then let them try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-space


A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome or challenged on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect, dignity and feelings and strongly encourage everyone to conform to majority opinions.[1]

— Advocates for Youth


Yeah, because that was definitely evident in this video. Here's an article. I would say it's an anecdote, because it is, but I doubt we'll see this kind of event occurring just a few times. I feel that in theory this is marvelous, but in practice it will simply be misused. We'll see.
Posted 12/24/15
Though let's think about this, is challenging someone with racial, homophobic, sexist, or otherwise claims ever a good idea?
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Posted 12/24/15
I don't care about safe spaces until they get sexist and racist with them.
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Posted 12/24/15
such an old one, though we had this same topic before? or was it about campus and school demands?

PeripheralVisionary wrote: Though let's think about this, is challenging someone with racial, homophobic, sexist, or otherwise claims ever a good idea?

be a joker and joke the shit out of it making them tired of the whole thing ;)


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Posted 12/24/15
this is really not going to fix anything. if you can't take someone saying something mean about you, you won't survive in this world. if you can't defend yourself, you won't survive in this world.
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Posted 12/24/15
The real world is a war zone. If you can't handle it, go back to bed and try again tomorrow.
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