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I am biased, but I'm not the one posting the thread. One must be skeptical of all thread postings, but certain people use questionable sources and a variety of tricks regarding such a thing. As someone who depends on forumers for a great deal of information, it is troubling. Hence my continued approach to ask questions. And thanks for noticing me. Can't say I agree with any of your posts, but I appreciate the thought. Merry Christmas. I only ask that if you wish to present your opinion as right, you get your information right. Much like news sources, thread posting can be misleading, and they shouldn't.


I do believe in discussions, but I believe the posts made clear that yes, I tolerate only to an extent, and certain positions may be more inherently tolerable than others, yet there's line most positions can't cross. For example, a BLM protestor can't use intimidation (Which a great deal use anyway) on certain grounds, much like LGBT people. But remember, LGBT stances focus on your view of a group of people, and certain viewpoints are more intolerable than others. There's a huge gulf between abortion and LGBT, and the gulf is the people you could directly affect, and presumably make suffer with your opinions. Because there are LGBT people on campus.


As for the second post, I think not tolerating bigotry is a good thing to an extent, but remember, who decides when something is hate speech? The company or school, of course. Usually hate speech borders on intimidation and something, and I'm not really sure what guidelines each school use. I do think such school are however justified in terminating the employment of people based on certain offenses. Let's be honest, I think it's more to preserve the reputation of the school to appeal to the left, and been a bit overzealous in these years. I'm blinded by my own ambition to rid the world of tolerance, but look and behold! You can't say anything without being caught in trouble. Of course, I'm only referring to outright displays of racism and homophobia, and not anything like say certain statistics.


Here's how I promote intolerance of intolerance. Say it is wrong. I'm not sure where to go from here, but I believe any demagogue promoting falsehoods about LGBT people needs to be silenced.


For the bold ever seen this show?


If you didn't like my sources than feel free to post counter sites. This is what I went by and I be with you honest I decided not to use the geek feminism link since I know people would get off topic on the name alone and I make it a personal rule never to click on tumblir. As for the lgbt movement sure they're the ones that come up the most when you look at safe spaces. However I been seeing other groups use the word to do things such as people demanding a guy be fired from their jobs if heaven forbids they say they don't like a certain type of food. Look it up white guys says he doesn't like mexican food and people are signing a petition to have him fired and from what I know that was the only thing racial he ever said. All it takes is one person from the pc movement to screw somebody over and that is what I will not tolerate. If you want a safe space then form a club but to demand the entire college declares themselves a safe space for you is just selfish and is killing the very ideas that colleges like to spout. Expanding horizons only if you agree with us.

My results looking up safe spaces


With discussion there is bigotry. You know, maybe I should rethink my thoughts. Instead of being against bigoted thoughts, we should be against bigoted bullying, no matter the case. I assumed safe spaces were saying "okay, we're against bullies, get out." but along the lnie I got confused with "we don't tolerate any lgbt anti aspects, get out". Would have to review my stance. I think I argued with drumstick regarding bullying of all natures, but I have to check.


Don't sweat the details that the point of general discussions. One person posts their views and the other side post their take on it. For the most part the community here is able to handle both sides fairly well. The only problem I will admit with myself is I take everyone at face value that what they post is what they honestly believe in real life.
Posted 12/24/15

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With discussion there is bigotry. You know, maybe I should rethink my thoughts. Instead of being against bigoted thoughts, we should be against bigoted bullying, no matter the case. I assumed safe spaces were saying "okay, we're against bullies, get out." but along the lnie I got confused with "we don't tolerate any lgbt anti aspects, get out". Would have to review my stance. I think I argued with drumstick regarding bullying of all natures, but I have to check.


You did. And to a point, I agree.

I just don't think people should be punished by law for saying harsh words, regardless of how often or how offensive.

Here's a summary of our argument:

Young people: We want to get rid of anything that's bad!

Old people: That's cute, but unrealistic. How about you learn to deal with the things that aren't really fixable, first?


I never argued for such a case, and I agree. I said only in continued instances that could be considered bullying. Do a believe a string of these one note incidences, where someone has consistently shown malice or thoughtlessness, in an otherwise professional setting, be considered bullying? I think yes.


Yet, these dissenting opinions are not bullying, they're merely opinions. I do believe that contacting authorities is a good way to deal with bullying. By authorities I mean teachers, supervisors, parents. No need to turn a family affair into a domestic incident, right?

I forgot where we were. Damnit.
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Don't sweat the details that the point of general discussions. One person posts their views and the other side post their take on it. For the most part the community here is able to handle both sides fairly well. The only problem I will admit with myself is I take everyone at face value that what they post is what they honestly believe in real life.


Basically this. At the end of the day, we'll both live if we disagree. I'll probably still even like you. :D

And, I DO post things I truly believe. Sometimes I communicate it poorly, though.
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Safe spaces. Such things didn't exist when I was at university, and I think I'm all the better for having been able to hear all kinds of different things from all kinds of different people. You can't spend your entire life being comfortable. That such a thing can even be attempted these days isn't just a luxury, it's the worst sort of escapism. Life sort of has to smack you in the face every now and then, IMO, to remind you that, no matter how civilized you think the world is or needs to be, there's always just enough of the old hunter-gatherer just underneath the skin that you need to be watchful, wary, not always surrounded by warm fuzzies.
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The purpose of learning and education is to be exposed to dangerous, controversial, and different ideas to expand your mind. Safe spaces are no different than what the catholic church, communists, or fascists did to their educational system.


Oh snap... he broke out the truth.


I agree, but I don't think bullying is the best method to support such theories. Whether or not we're bullying those with dissenting opinion remains to be seen. I think some parts are overzealous, but I do believe that being against LGBT bullying is a good thing.


I see the leftists trying to ban free speech because its offensive, it triggers them, or its racist. I don't care if it is offensive or not its their god given right to speak it. If you don't like it ignore it, respond back, or punch them in the face. Free speech is the foundation of a free society without it it becomes fascist/communist really fast.
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Posted 12/24/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


J-POP187 wrote:


Don't sweat the details that the point of general discussions. One person posts their views and the other side post their take on it. For the most part the community here is able to handle both sides fairly well. The only problem I will admit with myself is I take everyone at face value that what they post is what they honestly believe in real life.


Basically this. At the end of the day, we'll both live if we disagree. I'll probably still even like you. :D

And, I DO post things I truly believe. Sometimes I communicate it poorly, though.


Yup I like how from one moment we could be disagree over an issue than the next we could move on to the new seasons of anime. Part of the reason why this is one of the few places where i'm active. ^_^

Posted 12/24/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

The purpose of learning and education is to be exposed to dangerous, controversial, and different ideas to expand your mind. Safe spaces are no different than what the catholic church, communists, or fascists did to their educational system.


Oh snap... he broke out the truth.


I agree, but I don't think bullying is the best method to support such theories. Whether or not we're bullying those with dissenting opinion remains to be seen. I think some parts are overzealous, but I do believe that being against LGBT bullying is a good thing.


I see the leftists trying to ban free speech because its offensive, it triggers them, or its racist. I don't care if it is offensive or not its their god given right to speak it. If you don't like it ignore it, respond back, or punch them in the face. Free speech is the foundation of a free society without it it becomes fascist/communist really fast.


Bullying is traditionally not protected as free speech in most workplaces and whatnot. But the idea of safe space can encapsulate more than just bullying, it can encapsulate dissenting opinions we don't like. I don't think it is an inherently bad idea to come up with a space intolerant of bullying.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

The purpose of learning and education is to be exposed to dangerous, controversial, and different ideas to expand your mind. Safe spaces are no different than what the catholic church, communists, or fascists did to their educational system.


Oh snap... he broke out the truth.


I agree, but I don't think bullying is the best method to support such theories. Whether or not we're bullying those with dissenting opinion remains to be seen. I think some parts are overzealous, but I do believe that being against LGBT bullying is a good thing.


I see the leftists trying to ban free speech because its offensive, it triggers them, or its racist. I don't care if it is offensive or not its their god given right to speak it. If you don't like it ignore it, respond back, or punch them in the face. Free speech is the foundation of a free society without it it becomes fascist/communist really fast.


Bullying is traditionally not protected as free speech in most workplaces and whatnot. But the idea of safe space can encapsulate more than just bullying, it can encapsulate dissenting opinions we don't like. I don't think it is an inherently bad idea to come up with a space intolerant of bullying.


The big thing is how do you define bullying? I find the LBTQWERTY trying to convince everyone that they are gay to be bullying.
Posted 12/24/15 , edited 12/24/15

Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

The purpose of learning and education is to be exposed to dangerous, controversial, and different ideas to expand your mind. Safe spaces are no different than what the catholic church, communists, or fascists did to their educational system.


Oh snap... he broke out the truth.


I agree, but I don't think bullying is the best method to support such theories. Whether or not we're bullying those with dissenting opinion remains to be seen. I think some parts are overzealous, but I do believe that being against LGBT bullying is a good thing.


I see the leftists trying to ban free speech because its offensive, it triggers them, or its racist. I don't care if it is offensive or not its their god given right to speak it. If you don't like it ignore it, respond back, or punch them in the face. Free speech is the foundation of a free society without it it becomes fascist/communist really fast.


Bullying is traditionally not protected as free speech in most workplaces and whatnot. But the idea of safe space can encapsulate more than just bullying, it can encapsulate dissenting opinions we don't like. I don't think it is an inherently bad idea to come up with a space intolerant of bullying.


The big thing is how do you define bullying? I find the LBTQWERTY trying to convince everyone that they are gay to be bullying.


Bullying has a pretty standard definition. I agree with this definition put out by this organization.

Verbal bullying is saying or writing mean things. Verbal bullying includes:
Teasing
Name-calling
Inappropriate sexual comments
Taunting
Threatening to cause harm

Social bullying, sometimes referred to as relational bullying, involves hurting someone’s reputation or relationships. Social bullying includes:
Leaving someone out on purpose
Telling other children not to be friends with someone
Spreading rumors about someone
Embarrassing someone in public

Physical bullying involves hurting a person’s body or possessions. Physical bullying includes:
Hitting/kicking/pinching
Spitting
Tripping/pushing
Taking or breaking someone’s things
Making mean or rude hand gestures


Some say it has to be continued in some aspects, which I could agree with.


Also, this definition could clear stuff up.

Bullying is unwanted, aggressive behavior among school aged children that involves a real or perceived power imbalance. The behavior is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time. Both kids who are bullied and who bully others may have serious, lasting problems.

In order to be considered bullying, the behavior must be aggressive and include:

An Imbalance of Power: Kids who bully use their power—such as physical strength, access to embarrassing information, or popularity—to control or harm others. Power imbalances can change over time and in different situations, even if they involve the same people.
Repetition: Bullying behaviors happen more than once or have the potential to happen more than once.
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so you mean they should have a safe space?
and if bullying then that would be just even worse to have it.





Yes, I think they should have it. Ideally they should work hard to make the whole of the campus safe but I suppose a safe space is a start. People refuse to take bullying serious in college because people are adults. It'as as if people think you can't get bullied when you're an adult, but some people even get bullied at work.
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More like, as soon as you turn into an adult, you become responsible for dealing with your own bullying problems. Of course, there is a line that bullies cannot cross without breaking the law, but other than that it is on individuals to deal with their own shit.

In fact, your post is EXACTLY what we are talking about. The lack of understanding that bullies are just part of life. That you need to deal with them on your own, as an adult. Instead you expect everyone else to establish policies and laws that go against freedom of expression, just so you don't get your feelings hurt.

Grow the hell up. Seriously.



You are the one that needs to grow up. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean you suddenly become immune to bullying. Why should bullying become a part of life?

We never had such "safe spaces" where I went to high school but it would have been useful. I remember having students tie me to railings, lock me in cupboards and throw things at me. And teachers just said the same crap you just said. "You need to deal with it on your own as an adult."

People like you make me sick. I wonder if you would still say this crap if the person committed suicide or decided to shoot everyone on campus. Or perhaps left to join ISIS since they felt they didn't belong there. Actually you probably would. People like you have no empathy no matter how bad things escalate.
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More like, as soon as you turn into an adult, you become responsible for dealing with your own bullying problems. Of course, there is a line that bullies cannot cross without breaking the law, but other than that it is on individuals to deal with their own shit.

In fact, your post is EXACTLY what we are talking about. The lack of understanding that bullies are just part of life. That you need to deal with them on your own, as an adult. Instead you expect everyone else to establish policies and laws that go against freedom of expression, just so you don't get your feelings hurt.

Grow the hell up. Seriously.



You are the one that needs to grow up. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean you suddenly become immune to bullying. Why should bullying become a part of life?

We never had such "safe spaces" where I went to high school but it would have been useful. I remember having students tie me to railings, lock me in cupboards and throw things at me. And teachers just said the same crap you just said. "You need to deal with it on your own as an adult."

People like you make me sick. I wonder if you would still say this crap if the person committed suicide or decided to shoot everyone on campus. Or perhaps left to join ISIS since they felt they didn't belong there. Actually you probably would. People like you have no empathy no matter how bad things escalate.

I think you could be nicer. Just saying.
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But where do you go if you're straight, and you go into a college safe-spot where all the LGBT community have now "adopted" as their own, and say "This is our safe spot, you intolerant bully! Can't we have our safe haven without you in the mainstream trying to rob us of it?"

Where do people like me find a safe refuge from harsh, uncaring, intolerant safe spots? "
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I think you could be nicer. Just saying.




Who, me? Or the other guy?

Also if you're referring to me I'm fed up of being nice because of a load of stuff I've been though. But I guess since I was an adult it was all my fault. Yeah... don't blame the people who locked me in cupboards or even the guy who pulled off my pants forcefully on the bus. It was MY fault because I was an adult and I need to deal with my own problems
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

The purpose of learning and education is to be exposed to dangerous, controversial, and different ideas to expand your mind. Safe spaces are no different than what the catholic church, communists, or fascists did to their educational system.


Oh snap... he broke out the truth.


I agree, but I don't think bullying is the best method to support such theories. Whether or not we're bullying those with dissenting opinion remains to be seen. I think some parts are overzealous, but I do believe that being against LGBT bullying is a good thing.


I see the leftists trying to ban free speech because its offensive, it triggers them, or its racist. I don't care if it is offensive or not its their god given right to speak it. If you don't like it ignore it, respond back, or punch them in the face. Free speech is the foundation of a free society without it it becomes fascist/communist really fast.


Bullying is traditionally not protected as free speech in most workplaces and whatnot. But the idea of safe space can encapsulate more than just bullying, it can encapsulate dissenting opinions we don't like. I don't think it is an inherently bad idea to come up with a space intolerant of bullying.


The big thing is how do you define bullying? I find the LBTQWERTY trying to convince everyone that they are gay to be bullying.


Bullying has a pretty standard definition. I agree with this definition put out by this organization.

Verbal bullying is saying or writing mean things. Verbal bullying includes:
Teasing
Name-calling
Inappropriate sexual comments
Taunting
Threatening to cause harm

Social bullying, sometimes referred to as relational bullying, involves hurting someone’s reputation or relationships. Social bullying includes:
Leaving someone out on purpose
Telling other children not to be friends with someone
Spreading rumors about someone
Embarrassing someone in public

Physical bullying involves hurting a person’s body or possessions. Physical bullying includes:
Hitting/kicking/pinching
Spitting
Tripping/pushing
Taking or breaking someone’s things
Making mean or rude hand gestures


Some say it has to be continued in some aspects, which I could agree with.


Also, this definition could clear stuff up.

Bullying is unwanted, aggressive behavior among school aged children that involves a real or perceived power imbalance. The behavior is repeated, or has the potential to be repeated, over time. Both kids who are bullied and who bully others may have serious, lasting problems.

In order to be considered bullying, the behavior must be aggressive and include:

An Imbalance of Power: Kids who bully use their power—such as physical strength, access to embarrassing information, or popularity—to control or harm others. Power imbalances can change over time and in different situations, even if they involve the same people.
Repetition: Bullying behaviors happen more than once or have the potential to happen more than once.


By your own post "dangerous, controversial, and different ideas" are not covered by your definition but the methods and tactics used by the LGBTQWERTY are under social bullying.
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