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@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.
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I request proof that gender disphoria is even commonly linked to genetics.

If you are a girl, you're a girl. If you're a guy, you're a guy. If you are unhappy and dissatisfied about that (the definition of disphoria)...well, that sucks. I have disphoria about my penis size. I live with it.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


amyhasabowtie wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


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Ryulightorb wrote:

so what should those who don't like there sex and cant accept it do?

commit suicide?


It is always suicide with you guys. The people you threaten with suicide, myself included, DON'T care. Sure, we'd rather you NOT, but we aren't going to hold your hands just because you threaten that.

Personally, I was thinking grow the hell up and realize that reality is reality, and you can't change it, no matter what fits you throw.(WAHHHH, I'm going to kill myself)

We aren't asking you to NOT dress up and act like the opposite gender.... we're simply saying "Don't invite us to play pretend with you."



You are a terrible human being if you do not care about people lives.

Are you saying there Dysphoria is a figment of there imagination.

They literally CANNOT get over it because they feel they are in the wrong body.

You are telling them to live with that and most people cannot live there life with said feeling.

You are telling them they cannot fix it.

Those who get a sex change go the opposite gender to fix there Dysphoria which is a REAL issue and when they are recognized as a woman or man it goes away and they are able to live normal lives.

Trans people deserve a normal life like you or me.

You are basically saying they do not deserve a happy or normal life because "My opinion matters more then every trans persons happiness"

You are basically giving a big fuck you to my friends and those who have died because no one would accept them.
It's 2015 we should accept trans people not treat them like shit like you and others are doing they just want to be who they feel they are and unless they are allowed to make said change they will suffer all there life.

How would you like to suffer and feel like your in the wrong body all of your life to the point you want to kill yourself and give up hope.
Step into there shoes for a second and be a bit more empathetic.

Ignoring a disorder does not make it go away

There is treatment for the disorder and that is to go through a sex change and hormonal change to change the body to that of the sex they feel they are meant to be.

IF you can't respect someones right to help themselves and fix there disorder then you are a jerk you don't have to see them as a women or man you just need to respect that they are now classified as the opposite sex and that is who they are and want to be.

As "Fake and pretend" as it is it deserves to be respected.

Not respecting it is no different from those who don't respect Homosexual people for being Homosexual.

Want to know what we call that Homophobic we also have a word for those who refuse to accept those who transition
Transphobic.

You don't have to agree but you should respect there choice and not be a complete DICK about it.

Seriously i would have thought we would have more acceptance for people in this day and age you proved to me that we as a society have a LONG way to go with accepting peoples Gender/sex Disorders and other problems.

Heck You people can't even accept and respect people with Autism it's amazing that you even function and respect eachother on a daily basis.


looks like someone got triggered LOL


Nah i just had dealing with incompetent fools who have no respect for others.

You have to yell at them or in this case make the point like i did so it gets into there thick head ;)


haha sure, whatever helps you sleep at night


No need to be like that seriously i'm not mad at all xD just mildly annoyed people are like this still in 2015 i thought we had passed all this crap.
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Posted 12/26/15 , edited 12/26/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


I request proof that gender disphoria is even commonly linked to genetics.

If you are a girl, you're a girl. If you're a guy, you're a guy. If you are unhappy and dissatisfied about that (the definition of disphoria)...well, that sucks. I have disphoria about my penis size. I live with it.

Yes it does suck and you don't have to be a dick to them about it.

Also

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Causes.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

Pretty much we don't know if it's GENETIC / HORMONAL or a mental illness it could be either there is not enough evidence to support any of the claims.

If your a girl but want to be a guy you should be given the chance to be a guy and get treated like any other guy.
It shouldn't just be tough shit we as a society are better then that and some of us can accept them.

Not all of us are Transphobic or go out of our way to insult someone.

Dysphoria about your penis is no way close to gender Dysphoria that's like saying Cancer is like aids.

Point of the matter is if someone tells you not to call them something don't be a dick.

Also if you go out of your way then to call them the name they asked you not to call them then don't be surprised if they get pissy because that is your fault.


Seriously we can all get along if you all show eachother respect for eachother beliefs and desires.
Sheesh is it that difficult to have common decency anymore?
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@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.


Well no it's not solid treatment but my point being is that is the only choice to help it right now.

It won't cure it but it does help alot of trans people cope but as you said alot of them regret it honestly the whole situation is that we don't know enough to be sure what we are dealing with.

The best we can do is respect the persons choice and them and if they asked not to be called something then simply don't be a dick.

Posted 12/26/15 , edited 12/26/15

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That honestly sounds more like the solution to eradicating the cancer known as the human race.

To reproduce, you need gametes or sex cells, to get gametes, you need sex organs, to get those organs, you need the right hormones which come from being a particular gender. To be genderless means the person has become infertile.


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School time.

Jellyfish? Man or woman? Some facts about Portuguese Man of War

Ever since the first death by a Portuguese Man of War has been reported in the Mediterranean in 2010 (in Sardinia) more and more people especially in the med got curious about this jellyfish. Ah no, first misconception, the Portuguese Man of War is not a jellyfish but rather a marine phylum, it differs from a jellyfish in so far as it is not actually a single multicellular organism but a colonial organism made up of many highly specialized minute individuals called zooids.



It lends its name from the 18th-century warship man-of-war, and the phylum’s supposed resemblance to the Portuguese version at full sail. In Australia it is known as bluebottle for its gas-filled bladder that is seen at the ocean service.



We call it “man” but the Portuguese man of war has no gender it is dioecious, its gametes are released into the sea and then fertilized externally, fertilised eggs then undergo gastrulation.



Is it lethal? Well there are few deaths attributed to the Portuguese man of war and only one in the Mediterranean. Potentially these deaths relate to a severe allergic reaction to the venom. However they do sting tremendously and cause severe pain.



If stung, do not treat like a jellyfish, that is pour vinegar on the sting as this makes it worse. Rather apply salt water to the affected area (not fresh water, which tends to make the affected area worse) and follow up with the application of hot water (45°C) to the affected area from 15 to 20 minutes, which eases the pain of a sting by denaturing the toxins.



Since the Portuguese man o' war has no means of propulsion, it is moved by a combination of winds, currents, and tides. Although it can be found anywhere in the open ocean (especially warm water seas), it is most commonly found in the tropical and subtropical regions of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans. However we now see it more in the Mediterranean due to the changes in sea temperature.



References:

http://prezi.com/vn-z_r_ly2_f/phylum-cnidaria-physalia-physalis-portugese-mano-war/

Slaughter RJ, Beasley DM, Lambie BS, Schep LJ (2009). "New Zealand's venomous creatures". N. Z. Med. J. 122 (1290): 83–97.

Yoshimoto, C.M., and Yanagihara, A.A. Cnidarian (coelenterate) envenomations in Hawai’i improve following heat application. Transactions of the Royal Society for Tropical Medicine and Hygiene 96, 300–303, 2002.

http://www.jerico-fp7.eu/jerico-public/international-general/244-jellyfish-man-or-woman-some-facts-about-portuguese-man-of-war

Anyone unfamiliar with the biology of the venomous Portuguese man-of-war would likely mistake it for a jellyfish. Not only is it not a jellyfish, it's not even an "it," but a "they." The Portuguese man-of-war is a siphonophore, an animal made up of a colony of organisms working together.

The man-of-war comprises four separate polyps. It gets its name from the uppermost polyp, a gas-filled bladder, or pneumatophore, which sits above the water and somewhat resembles an old warship at full sail. Man-of-wars are also known as bluebottles for the purple-blue color of their pneumatophores.

The tentacles are the man-of-war's second organism. These long, thin tendrils can extend 165 feet (50 meters) in length below the surface, although 30 feet (10 meters) is more the average. They are covered in venom-filled nematocysts used to paralyze and kill fish and other small creatures. For humans, a man-of-war sting is excruciatingly painful, but rarely deadly. But beware—even dead man-of-wars washed up on shore can deliver a sting.

Muscles in the tentacles draw prey up to a polyp containing the gastrozooids or digestive organisms. A fourth polyp contains the reproductive organisms.

Man-of-wars are found, sometimes in groups of 1,000 or more, floating in warm waters throughout the world's oceans. They have no independent means of propulsion and either drift on the currents or catch the wind with their pneumatophores. To avoid threats on the surface, they can deflate their air bags and briefly submerge.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/invertebrates/portuguese-man-of-war/

Well excuse nature but nature already found away to get around your problem before you were even born.
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Ryulightorb wrote: Yes it does suck and you don't have to be a dick to them about it.

Also

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Causes.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

Pretty much we don't know if it's GENETIC / HORMONAL or a mental illness it could be either there is not enough evidence to support any of the claims.

If your a girl but want to be a guy you should be given the chance to be a guy and get treated like any other guy.
It shouldn't just be tough shit we as a society are better then that and some of us can accept them.

Not all of us are Transphobic or go out of our way to insult someone.

Dysphoria about your penis is no way close to gender Dysphoria that's like saying Cancer is like aids.

Point of the matter is if someone tells you not to call them something don't be a dick.

Also if you go out of your way then to call them the name they asked you not to call them then don't be surprised if they get pissy because that is your fault.


See.... you're trying so hard to make me out to be an asshole.

If either one of my girls had Gender Dysphoria, I'd gladly help them in any way I could. In fact, I'd even call them whatever they wanted.

If one of my employees had it, they'd be documented and called whatever gender they were legally. THAT'S all I'm saying.

If they were legally a girl, but born a guy.... I'd be documenting them as a girl.

Does that change my opinion on the matter? NO. But, I'm NOT a dick.

However, I STILL don't approve of legally penalizing those who refuse to do so. WHY? Because they have their set of beliefs, and they should be able to express things based on those, regardless of someone's feelings. POINT BLANK. It's the same reason I don't think people should be punished for calling someone with Down Syndrome retarded. Is it tacky? Hell yeah. Is it something that should be punishable by law? NO, because society will do its fair share of expression to make these people feel like the assholes they are.


If that makes me the asshole you want me to be, and your feelings are hurt about it, you can just get that way. Get over it. That's all I can tell you.
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See.... you're trying so hard to make me out to be an asshole.

If either one of my girls had Gender Dysphoria, I'd gladly help them in any way I could. In fact, I'd even call them whatever they wanted.

If one of my employees had it, they'd be documented and called whatever gender they were legally. THAT'S all I'm saying.

If they were legally a girl, but born a guy.... I'd be documenting them as a girl.

Does that change my opinion on the matter? NO. But, I'm NOT a dick.

However, I STILL don't approve of legally penalizing those who refuse to do so. WHY? Because they have their set of beliefs, and they should be able to express things based on those, regardless of someone's feelings. POINT BLANK. It's the same reason I don't think people should be punished for calling someone with Down Syndrome retarded. Is it tacky? Hell yeah. Is it something that should be punishable by law? NO, because society will do its fair share of expression to make these people feel like the assholes they are.


If that makes me the asshole you want me to be, and you're feelings are hurt about it, you can just get that way. Get over it. That's all I can tell you.




Well i seem to have misunderstood i read what you were saying as you would call them a guy even after they legally have changed to be a girl if this is not the case then i have made a HUGE mistake and i wholeheartedly apologize.

Also i agree you shouldn't be penalized fined or anything for not agreeing with it i thought i made this clear? i must have not.

But if that is how you really feel then this whole argument and me getting annoyed is because i misunderstood what you meant as it was not clear enough.

That is on me and if anyone here is the asshole in this situation it is me for misunderstanding what you meant.

I hope you can forgive me and i take back any claims i made about you being a bad person.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


amyhasabowtie wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Nah i just had dealing with incompetent fools who have no respect for others.

You have to yell at them or in this case make the point like i did so it gets into there thick head ;)


haha sure, whatever helps you sleep at night


No need to be like that seriously i'm not mad at all xD just mildly annoyed people are like this still in 2015 i thought we had passed all this crap.


'Mildly annoyed' means you write a huge long paragraph because someone does not share the same opinion as you?

Also the current year is meanlingless, there is no timescale that dicates what humanity will do and think in a certain year
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That honestly sounds more like the solution to eradicating the cancer known as the human race.

To reproduce, you need gametes or sex cells, to get gametes, you need sex organs, to get those organs, you need the right hormones which come from being a particular gender. To be genderless means the person has become infertile.


Well when i say genderless i mean we would be engineered to reproduce with eachother this "Genderless" sex would be able to reproduce with others of it's sex.
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sundin13 wrote:

@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.


From all the research and testimonials I've seen from transpeople gender reassignment surgery does seem to help greatly. Secondly as someone who has read a lot of books on psychology Gender identity is likely more related to genetics and especially brain structure than any psychological issues. It's a very flawed way to look through at gender identity or sexual orientation.
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amyhasabowtie wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


amyhasabowtie wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Nah i just had dealing with incompetent fools who have no respect for others.

You have to yell at them or in this case make the point like i did so it gets into there thick head ;)


haha sure, whatever helps you sleep at night


No need to be like that seriously i'm not mad at all xD just mildly annoyed people are like this still in 2015 i thought we had passed all this crap.


'Mildly annoyed' means you write a huge long paragraph because someone does not share the same opinion as you?

Also the current year is meanlingless, there is no timescale that dicates what humanity will do and think in a certain year


To make a point sure why not it's not hurting anyone and i have all day i'm actually only replying on here cause i'm trying to pass the time

Also i know that all i meant is in this day and age it's disgusting that people are still as toxic as they are (i know the year has no relation but it's simply a way of saying people shouldn't be as toxic or disrespectful by now)
Posted 12/26/15

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@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.


Yeah, it can somewhat help and don't get me wrong I am not saying it is a magical solution. It is slightly better for the person living in the wrong body but there is often indeed things like depression to deal with.
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sundin13 wrote:

@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.


From all the research and testimonials I've seen from transpeople gender reassignment surgery does seem to help greatly. Secondly as someone who has read a lot of books on psychology Gender identity is likely more related to genetics and especially brain structure than any psychological issues. It's a very flawed way to look through at gender identity or sexual orientation.


So it may be a case like Autism?

What i mean is the Autistic brain is wired differently from the normal humans brain meaning we have different traits and feelings.

For people with Aspergers like me socialization drains us whilst in normal people it gives them energy.

If it's simply just brain structure then i wonder if Transgender would fit under Neurodiversity or class as a mutation of sorts like Autism i wonder.
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sundin13 wrote:

@Ryulightorb: Does sexual reassignment surgery really help? From the research I have seen, those who undergo surgery are often very depressed, have high suicide rates and some regret the choice to undergo surgery. This implies a deeper psychological issue. There is nowhere near enough research for you to go around saying thatsurgery Is a solid medical treatment.


Yeah, it can somewhat help and don't get me wrong I am not saying it is a magical solution. It is slightly better for the person living in the wrong body but there is often indeed things like depression to deal with.


Yup and i couldn't imagine dealing with Dysphoria and depression at the same time.

When my hormones were low i had a feeling of unease like i wasn't in the right body this is not the same but i started to believe i had become two people in a sense.

After taking pills that raise my testosterone i am normal but ever since that incident i have gained a new light as i imagine it would feel the same but alot worse.

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