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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


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Considering that the ABC News report I linked to demonstrated that Jeremiah Wright, Obamas' pastor, consistently proclaimed those views, I don't think it is possible to entertain the belief that over the two decades Mr. Obama knew Jeremiah Wright as a member of his congregation and as a political mentor that Mr. Obama was for that entire period unaware of what Jeremiah Wright was preaching.


Take your tinfoil hat off Maxgale. It's unseemly.

In not one of those clips shown did Jeremiah Wright shout out, "God damn America," or anything similar to it. He criticized the United States and made statements which could be viewed as controversial, but he never cried out for the damnation of the United States. To suggest that this is all evident of some hypocrisy on Obama's part is to ignore a crucial part of the sermon -- the part, which I suspect, most of the controversy stems from.


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So, what you're saying is, since 9/11, he's grown more extreme and Obama hasn't kept in touch with him? Interesting.


That's certainly plausible. People and their views change over time. But the core of what I'm saying is that it's simply too early to begin formulating conspiracy theories about Obama, his religious views, whether or not his condemnation was politically motivated, etc. While Jeremiah's words may have been controversial, that doesn't mean that they were always the same words. To link previous statements to this one is to regard apples and oranges as the same. Yeah, they're both fruit, but of a different kind and variety.




Jeremiah Wright literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News report I linked.


He went on repeated harangues during multiple sermons repeating the same sentiment that American should literally be damned by God.


Furthermore, Jeremiah Wright says that he personally was in touch with Obama even during his campaign for president, and that Mr. Obama was well aware of his beliefs:



WRIGHT: In Springfield. That he was running for the presidency. And he called -- when he called. He called to warn me that -- I mean not a negative warning, the first time, the first call was not a negative warning. He said, Axelrod is going to call you because we are going to Iowa tomorrow and in your invocation, I was going to do the invocation the next morning. Don't say anything that would upset Iowa farmers. If anything, talk about my ability as a community organizer to reach all kinds of people. I said, I got it. I got it.





WRIGHT: At 4:30, the phone rang again. I said, hello? He said, Rev, this is Barack. He said, Rolling Stone has gotten cold on one of your sermons, it's in the weekend edition. And they have already given it to Hillary's people. It's a big mess. And well you know, he could be kind of over the top at times. And David thinks it's best that you not do the invocation tomorrow. Because if you go out in front of the public and you are going to become the focus, you are going to become the media focus and all the attention will be deflected away from my announcing the candidacy and that's a starring moment.






WRIGHT: I'm on record. The year before he ran, saying that he would have to distance himself from me. Then I knew as a politician, if he is going to play the political game, he's going to distance himself from me. If you want to get elected, you want some votes -- I am toxic.




http://nation.foxnews.com/rev-jeremiah-wright/2012/05/18/jeremiah-wright-obamas-faith-and-perhaps-being-steeped-islam




And for anyone who is disposed to avoid inconvenient truths because they are told by Fox:






In an exclusive interview at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference, Wright told the Daily Press that he has not spoken to his former church member since Obama became president, and he implied that the White House won't allow Obama to talk to him.

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me," Wright said. "I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office. ...

"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."




Wright said that when he went to the polls, he did not hold any grudge against Obama.

"Of course I voted for him — he's my son. I'm proud of him," Wright said. "I've got five biological kids. They all make mistakes and bad choices. I haven't stopped loving any of them.

"He made mistakes. He made bad choices. I've got kids who listen to their friends. He listened to those around him. I did not disown him."



http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10-story.html
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maxgale wrote:

Jeremiah Wright literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News report I linked. :huh:


Which is what prompted Obama to say he was shocked. In none of the clips ABC compiled of Jeremiah Wright's statements over the years, the ones they compared to the clip that Obama says he was shocked by, did he repeat those words.


He went on repeated harangues during multiple sermons repeating the same sentiment that American should literally be damned by God


Source please.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:


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Considering that Mr. Obama "didn't agree" with and was shocked, SHOCKED when confronted with the beliefs of the pastor who was one of his political mentors and whose congregation he was a part of for over two decades I would say Mr. Obama has no clue what his religious beliefs are himself.


Obama has been clear in his belief in Christianity. I do not detect any uncertainty in his faith.



The question is:


1. Whether Jeremiah Wrights' (and thus Mr. Obamas') interpretation of Christianity is in accordance with the teachings of the faith.


2. If Mr. Obama has been demonstrated to publicly disavow his faith when politically expedient, is it plausible that his professed faith was itself merely adopted for political expediency?
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I have never cared to pay attention to any presidents religion so I wouldn't know Obamas either. As far as I'm concerned every politician is just another greedy asshole who will shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time. Never trusted politicians and never will...
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


maxgale wrote:

Jeremiah Wright literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News report I linked. :huh:


Which is what prompted Obama to say he was shocked. In none of the clips ABC compiled of Jeremiah Wright's statements over the years, the ones they compared to the clip that Obama says he was shocked by, did he repeat those words.


He went on repeated harangues during multiple sermons repeating the same sentiment that American should literally be damned by God


Source please.



He literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News video.


That same video then shows how he preached similar beliefs during many other sermons.


You might want to replay the video, because it is all there.



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And in the other articles I linked, Jeremiah Wright explains Mr. Obama was well aware of his beliefs and shared them.
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maxgale wrote:


The question is:


1. Whether Jeremiah Wrights' (and thus Mr. Obamas') interpretation of Christianity is in accordance with the teachings of the faith.


2. If Mr. Obama has been demonstrated to publicly disavow his faith when politically expedient, is it plausible that his professed faith was itself merely adopted for political expediency?


1. Yes.

2. Considering many of his policies, probably not.
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enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIvea_QWF4g

Does anyone even know how to read anymore?
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maxgale wrote:

He literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News video.


That same video then shows how he preached similar beliefs during many other sermons.


You might want to replay the video, because it is all there.


And you may want to reread my post.


GrandmasterCoolio wrote:

Which is what prompted Obama to say he was shocked. In none of the clips ABC compiled of Jeremiah Wright's statements over the years, the ones they compared to the clip that Obama says he was shocked by, did he repeat those words.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4
1:00 - 1:36

That's the clip you're referring to. It's not one of the ones they picked to compare to the controversial statement condemned by Obama -- it IS the controversial statement condemned by Obama.
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New York Daily News hired a white dude that calls himself black. Not the strangest thing I've read.
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


maxgale wrote:

He literally says "God damn America" in the ABC News video.


That same video then shows how he preached similar beliefs during many other sermons.


You might want to replay the video, because it is all there.


And you may want to reread my post.


GrandmasterCoolio wrote:

Which is what prompted Obama to say he was shocked. In none of the clips ABC compiled of Jeremiah Wright's statements over the years, the ones they compared to the clip that Obama says he was shocked by, did he repeat those words.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4
1:00 - 1:36

That's the clip you're referring to. It's not one of the ones they picked to compare to the controversial statement condemned by Obama -- it IS the controversial statement condemned by Obama.




And at 1:38 to 1:41 Mr. Obama says that the church isn't "controversial."



From 2:05 to 3:12 other sermons with equally hateful rhetoric is shown.



From 3:12 to 3:32 members of the congregation share their hateful views. These are attitudes shared by the pastor, and members of the congregation.


At 3:36 until the conclusion of the video, there is a statement from Obama how Jeremiah Wright is a someone who "sometimes says things he disagrees with."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4


And yet during the two decades that Mr. Obama knew him and the other members of the congregation, it never was cause for him to leave.

Because, as Jeremiah Wright reveals in interviews that I posted preceding this, Obama agreed with him.
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It's political suicide to be anything other than Christian or some variation of it at the national level. That's what makes Bernie Sanders' rise so unusual, besides being socialist.
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Both Christianity and Islam are Faiths, not Religions. Rather humorous to see such a flagrant error in a post dedicated to pointing out a flagrant error. . .
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:


maxgale wrote:


The question is:


1. Whether Jeremiah Wrights' (and thus Mr. Obamas') interpretation of Christianity is in accordance with the teachings of the faith.


2. If Mr. Obama has been demonstrated to publicly disavow his faith when politically expedient, is it plausible that his professed faith was itself merely adopted for political expediency?


1. Yes.

2. Considering many of his policies, probably not.




1. Mr. Wright explicitly preaches contrary to the Bible. In one example, according to the Bible Israel is a homeland given to the Jewish people by God, yet Jeremiah Wright has said:


On the plight of Palestinians, he offered a Canaanite’s perspective: “What kind of God you got that promised your ass my land?”


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-ever-happened-to-jeremiah-wright/406522/


2. What policies?
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