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Another title for the US & Canadaroll! Oh joy!
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MysteriousTsubaki-Kun wrote:

All the people crying about this only being available in the US and Canada really need to grow up.

This happens all the time to people living in the USA as well.

When Prison School wasn't available in the USA on CR, what did I have to do? Well I had to pay Funimation to watch it.

And with the new season starting soon, guess what I'm sure it will continue to happen again.

It's all about the bottom line and competition. I'm happy with what we're able to get lately, even if we can't have it all.



Lol... Effected much? You've missed out on maybe six shows TOTAL that CR has ever licensed. I've missed about 20 they've licensed this YEAR ALONE. YOUR value for money far outweighs ours, CR simply does not try and deal with international catalogue licensed holders - its not even a secret.
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Damn you region restrictions! I want to watch this show too.

I loved it as a kid.
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"CR simply does not try and deal with international catalogue licensed holders - its not even a secret. "

And how do you know this? What kind of connections do you have with the international rightsholders in your area? Do you attend a lot of video distribution industry tradeshows? Does everybody invite you to negotiations?

In the US/Canada market, the rightsholders have a fairly good idea of how much to charge if they want to get some money out of the distribution rights, because they know the video services and the anime viewers well. In other parts of the world, the industry isn't quite to that point. So it's very likely that folks in your parts of the world are seeing the same thing that used to happen in the US -- rightsholders paying too much to Japan (under the illusion that every single anime is like a license to coin money), and thus feeling obliged to charge video services a ridiculous amount of money.

This is just a guess, because I also am not invited to negotiations! But if that really is the problem, you'll see prices go down and more distribution happening from video services in your area (including Crunchyroll); or you'll see the rightsholders going out of business, and their rights being picked up by other businesses. (Possibly including Crunchyroll.) Still, I hope there isn't another anime bubble coming on, in your area. Rights take a long time to get processed in bankruptcy courts.
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The first anime I ever watched, even before DBZ. I actually never thought it would find its way here.


Not 100 percent sure if it was the first but it is one of the earliest ones I can remember ever seeing along Dragonball and Sailor Moon lol.




You know what would be real amazing. If you guys could get me Monster Rancher Dubbed too!



I love to see the first season of Duel masters dubbed. I've heard it pretty well An Abridged show before there were abridged shows!
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I would be upset for the regional lock if not for the fact that it's not the Latinamerican Spanish dub, which is without the shadow of a doubt one of the, if not the, best Spanish dub ever.
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Yay! Samurai Pizza Cats! I remember watching that show a long time ago when I was a child.
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I really don't understand what the crying is about regional territories. You realize most of these extra shows are typically bundled or offered to encourage a trade on other more major shows. They aren't going to go around and purchase limited rights fora show in every country its available in. To think so is just foolish. Their based in the NA originally so of course most of the easiest licensed content will be for the US and Canada. I understand people complaining about prices but honestly it's hard to say even if it was lets say 6.95 across the board a month. That for the amount of content you get that's exactly fair. What's your living wage there? How's your countries market? Is your dollar stronger in value against anothers? There is more to selling a service or product then just saying a price and giving it to the consumer after. Everything little thing they do is impacted by the market as a whole, a company like funimation or media blasters has the power to let somewhere like crunchyroll stream episodes. Smaller companies holding licenses may not. To them if someone just wants to watch the show once for free it may deter dvd sales. They like us can only predict and try to work along with licenses, but until something settles in the final agreement they don't know much more then us. Business is complicated and isn't something one person can explain easily by saying something like oh they don't care, their wasting our money. Maybe instead of complaining about the platform you want more shows for. (Which would deter other licensees from joining on it.) Actually say positive things about it, like I for one love the current content and this is my primary anime source. I loved watching alot of the old Bandai titles when they still had them and also glad to see their streaming quality has improved significantly.
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I really don't understand what the crying is about regional territories. You realize most of these extra shows are typically bundled or offered to encourage a trade on other more major shows. They aren't going to go around and purchase limited rights fora show in every country its available in. To think so is just foolish. Their based in the NA originally so of course most of the easiest licensed content will be for the US and Canada. I understand people complaining about prices but honestly it's hard to say even if it was lets say 6.95 across the board a month. That for the amount of content you get that's exactly fair. What's your living wage there? How's your countries market? Is your dollar stronger in value against anothers? There is more to selling a service or product then just saying a price and giving it to the consumer after. Everything little thing they do is impacted by the market as a whole, a company like funimation or media blasters has the power to let somewhere like crunchyroll stream episodes. Smaller companies holding licenses may not. To them if someone just wants to watch the show once for free it may deter dvd sales. They like us can only predict and try to work along with licenses, but until something settles in the final agreement they don't know much more then us. Business is complicated and isn't something one person can explain easily by saying something like oh they don't care, their wasting our money. Maybe instead of complaining about the platform you want more shows for. (Which would deter other licensees from joining on it.) Actually say positive things about it, like I for one love the current content and this is my primary anime source. I loved watching alot of the old Bandai titles when they still had them and also glad to see their streaming quality has improved significantly.


Because not voicing our objections makes them think they can get away with doing it more and to a greater extent in future. Clearly Crunchyroll are taking on board people's feedback, hence why shows like Digimon Adventure tri and Case Closed have recently had region expansions and why several brand managers have started putting region information at the start of the post rather than the end. I'd also suggest that part of the reason why haven't seen any title specific emails since One Piece is because of how poorly that went down.

Nobody's saying Crunchyroll is a terrible service, in fact the general consensus is that Crunchyroll is the undisputed best anime streaming platform. I think the reason people are so upset is because they love Crunchyroll and unfortunately Crunchyroll isn't giving off the impression it loves them back...
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1st CR got Godmars then CR got Lupin and Yu-Gi-Oh(Waiting on Arc V and might as well get Zexal too) stuff and now Samurai Pizza Cats......
It was dubbed in the NA region....what else will you get CR?
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It's a business as I said. They aren't trying to get away with anything people don't realize that they can't just go ahead and purchase any licensing rights they want. Their in a business and have set funds and protocols to work with. It's not as simple as allocating funds and say let us stream this program on here. If they did that for every individual show that pops up they would OOB. Their focus is mainly what shows can we get as a package from one licensee. Look att 2013 they had a whole slew of shows from Aniplex why? Because they got right in a deal on several shows at once. That's how they can deliver the most content while being on a small monthly fee still for consumers.

As for the love thing that's very arbitrary. A business is made to sell an item or service to a consumer for monetary gain. It isn't a feeling of personal emotion. While they do things such as add regions to popular shows more languages to sub from. Hold contests and etc to giveback to loyal or dedicated consumers. It shouldn't be confused with an emotion outside of a business standpoint.
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It's a business as I said. They aren't trying to get away with anything people don't realize that they can't just go ahead and purchase any licensing rights they want. Their in a business and have set funds and protocols to work with. It's not as simple as allocating funds and say let us stream this program on here. If they did that for every individual show that pops up they would OOB. Their focus is mainly what shows can we get as a package from one licensee. Look att 2013 they had a whole slew of shows from Aniplex why? Because they got right in a deal on several shows at once. That's how they can deliver the most content while being on a small monthly fee still for consumers.

As for the love thing that's very arbitrary. A business is made to sell an item or service to a consumer for monetary gain. It isn't a feeling of personal emotion. While they do things such as add regions to popular shows more languages to sub from. Hold contests and etc to giveback to loyal or dedicated consumers. It shouldn't be confused with an emotion outside of a business standpoint.


Actually, Crunchyroll has said openly that they bid on any and every anime to air in an upcoming season. So the situation you describe is only implausible with regards to catalogue content, with upcoming streams, it already happens.

The love thing was a turn of phrase, I just meant that international customers feel sidelined by the NA focus and near-constant slew of catalogue acquisitions for them. It's not helped by complete radio silence on Crunchyroll's part, we haven't even gotten a faux-sympathetic "we know how you feel, but it's just too difficult to do at the moment" type-statement and by people telling us it's completely unreasonable to expect catalogue content. I'm not even sure people would be to bothered if they couldn't match the frequency and volume of NA content, I think people just want something (IIRC the only catalogue show the UK has gotten over the past 6 months is the Koroko's Basketball OVAs, with the situation even more dire in Europe)...
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Skode24 said:

"CR simply does not try and deal with international catalogue licensed holders - its not even a secret. "

And how do you know this? What kind of connections do you have with the international rightsholders in your area? Do you attend a lot of video distribution industry tradeshows? Does everybody invite you to negotiations?

In the US/Canada market, the rightsholders have a fairly good idea of how much to charge if they want to get some money out of the distribution rights, because they know the video services and the anime viewers well. In other parts of the world, the industry isn't quite to that point. So it's very likely that folks in your parts of the world are seeing the same thing that used to happen in the US -- rightsholders paying too much to Japan (under the illusion that every single anime is like a license to coin money), and thus feeling obliged to charge video services a ridiculous amount of money.

This is just a guess, because I also am not invited to negotiations! But if that really is the problem, you'll see prices go down and more distribution happening from video services in your area (including Crunchyroll); or you'll see the rightsholders going out of business, and their rights being picked up by other businesses. (Possibly including Crunchyroll.) Still, I hope there isn't another anime bubble coming on, in your area. Rights take a long time to get processed in bankruptcy courts.


Because catalogue rights are out there... As the likes of viewster manages to acquire them, a smaller company with a smaller user base (if you watch free you get one 30 sec ad right at the start... CR chucks loads at you at inconvenient parts of shows, CR clearly get more revenue from free watchers as well based in quantity of ads. You can't tell me they're outbidding CR. Hell their priority these days is more about anime boxes.. Netflix has been hoovering up catalogues as well. THEY can do it for outside NA, why not CR?

Not like anyone is saying CR is shit but man do I tire of people from the unaffected countries talking up the situation as being fine as is. They would be as content if the shoe was on the other foot - Europeans, Australians, south Americans etc ALL moan about the NA only thing so you'll have to excuse this being way more of an issue than a sarcastic post asking if I'm invited to negotiatons.
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I loved this growing up, but none of my friends had a clue about it. Now I just need to start watching before I finish this pizza.
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Skode24 wrote:

Because catalogue rights are out there... As the likes of viewster manages to acquire them, a smaller company with a smaller user base (if you watch free you get one 30 sec ad right at the start... CR chucks loads at you at inconvenient parts of shows, CR clearly get more revenue from free watchers as well based in quantity of ads. You can't tell me they're outbidding CR.

They very well could be. It isn't at all unusual for a new service to lose money to build their library.

Also, note the number of those titles that are licensed here by Funimation. Funimation isn't going to share titles with CR unless they are compelled to. Oddly, they don't seem to see Viewster as competition (perhaps because they aren't an anime-specific service).



Netflix has been hoovering up catalogues as well. THEY can do it for outside NA, why not CR?

Comparing CR to Netflix is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

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