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Post Reply Actual gun murder rates do not reflect loose gun laws.
Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


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Everyone brings up Switzerland without researching lol. What idiots. Either way. They have mandatory military service. This includes psychological evaluations. If you fail that you will not get a gun, nor serve in the military. Problem solved. Rigorous testing to prove if you are fit to own a gun. America makes it way too easy.


What an assumption. I am well aware of Switzerland's military service requirement. I mention Switzerland because I view them as a decent model. The problem is that most of the anti-gun advocates are also against mandatory military service.

Personally, I feel like everyone should be required to serve at least 2-4 years in either the military or another public service. I actually volunteered and served my four. I passed all the evaluations. *shrug*

If anti-gun advocates would start pushing for a more Switzerland like policy, which required military service, I'd support that 100%. Unfortunately, they do not.

I also regularly ask anti-gun advocates what they would do to improve the situation, because I am honestly willing to support fair measures. Unfortunately, their suggested measures are either crazy, already implemented, or an outright gun ban.

My point is that MOST, not all, anti-gun advocates are actually the least informed about US gun policy. The reason for this is that legal gun owners actually have gone through the background checks, etc.... and know the limitations, permits, etc, that one needs. This is why our answer is always: We have enough laws.

Most anti-gun advocates actually know squat about firearms, have never owned a firearm, and therefore push for things that make little sense.

AND, I'm not saying that things couldn't be done better. I am simply saying that I do not have the answers, but I KNOW an outright gun-ban isn't the answer, and I ask you, who pushes for such things to provide suggestions.... REASONABLE suggestions.


Well, I hate to admit it, but you people do know more about guns, so it makes sense you know more about gun laws. You people tend to tear into people pretty hard in that other thread.

OT: I just don't like the idea of the draft. America is too militarized if ya ask me.
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OT: I just don't like the idea of the draft. America is too militarized if ya ask me.


I'm split on the issue. I don't think people should be drafted into combat based fields. However, a large portion of the military is support/logistics/admin stuff. Also, that's why I think people should be allowed to pick other public services.

And, I'm all for a system like Switzerland, or any other reasonable solution someone can think of. I just don't support an outright gun ban.
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Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

HolyDrumstick wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

OT: I just don't like the idea of the draft. America is too militarized if ya ask me.


I'm split on the issue. I don't think people should be drafted into combat based fields. However, a large portion of the military is support/logistics/admin stuff. Also, that's why I think people should be allowed to pick other public services.

And, I'm all for a system like Switzerland, or any other reasonable solution someone can think of. I just don't support an outright gun ban.


I'm really not far right, like people tend to think, when I discuss gun control. I simply think for myself and am informed.

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Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

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I'd much rather be attacked by someone with a knife than a gun. It's much easier to run away or fight back.


Say's someone whose never been in either a fire fight or a knife fight. I'd gladly take a fire fight over a knife fight any day of the week. Knife fights are always messy, usually end up with both fighters bleeding like stuck pigs and no one walks away from a real knife fight. A fire fight is usually a much cleaner way of fighting, and is always determined by level of skill and reflexes.
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Everyone fearing guns, I fear Doctors @_@

Posted 12/30/15

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geauxtigers1989 wrote:


I'd much rather be attacked by someone with a knife than a gun. It's much easier to run away or fight back.


Say's someone whose never been in either a fire fight or a knife fight. I'd gladly take a fire fight over a knife fight any day of the week. Knife fights are always messy, usually end up with both fighters bleeding like stuck pigs and no one walks away from a real knife fight. A fire fight is usually a much cleaner way of fighting, and is always determined by level of skill and reflexes.


Guns are more efficient and quicker. Not to mention, it does take some skill with a pistol to use in a gunfight. Your oversimplifying things, way too much.
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Guns are more efficient and quicker. Not to mention, it does take some skill with a pistol to use in a gunfight. Your oversimplifying things, way too much.


Nah mate making a shot from 2500 meters away when the wind is howling and the rain is thick enough to give you a good soaking takes a lot of skill. Up close with a pistol is child's play for anyone with even a modicum of fire arms experience,that sort of fire fight will be determined solely by who has the quicker hand.

Well unless we are talking about multiple attackers but anyone using a pistol in that situation is either very stupid or very desperate with no better weapon at hand.
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Guns are more efficient and quicker. Not to mention, it does take some skill with a pistol to use in a gunfight. Your oversimplifying things, way too much.


Nah mate making a shot from 2500 meters away when the wind is howling and the rain is thick enough to give you a good soaking takes a lot of skill. Up close with a pistol is child's play for anyone with even a modicum of fire arms experience,that sort of fire fight will be determined solely by who has the quicker hand.

Well unless we are talking about multiple attackers but anyone using a pistol in that situation is either very stupid or very desperate with no better weapon at hand.


Wait, are we talking about in general or sniping? This is really confusing.
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I'm surprised we are all basically in agreement.
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I would say that the laws of trying to take them away from regular people will most likely be pointless, as lots of people who commit crimes with guns are using military grade rifles or other guns that are not possible to ever get by legal terms, also that putting laws in place doesn't stop criminals, if they want to get a gun, they'll figure out a way to get a gun to accomplish their goals.
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WeeabooWarrior wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


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Guns are more efficient and quicker. Not to mention, it does take some skill with a pistol to use in a gunfight. Your oversimplifying things, way too much.


Nah mate making a shot from 2500 meters away when the wind is howling and the rain is thick enough to give you a good soaking takes a lot of skill. Up close with a pistol is child's play for anyone with even a modicum of fire arms experience,that sort of fire fight will be determined solely by who has the quicker hand.

Well unless we are talking about multiple attackers but anyone using a pistol in that situation is either very stupid or very desperate with no better weapon at hand.


Wait, are we talking about in general or sniping? This is really confusing.


Sniping with a purpose built rifle is much harder then using a pistol up close was what I was trying to get across. Try and figure out the sort of calculations needed to make a shot from two and half kilometres away and you'll realise pistols aren't hard to use at all. I've used both in my time and trust me at the range a pistol is good for is child's play.
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Maybe it has something to do with gun culture.
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