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Is It Wrong To Get Offended If You'Re Not The Target? Or On Other's Behalf?
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Yes and no. A lot of times the people they're getting offended for normally don't give a flying fuck.

The other issue is the one I mentioned before. Breeding this attitude that they should be offended by such matters when they otherwise, likely, would not been.

It can do a lot more harm than help. There's a balance to it. In this case, I'm afraid less is more. Today, just enough care to rationally approach issues is enough. Often it's too much when one gets emotionally invested in it for other people.

Care, yes. Outraged for them, no.

Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

Ctonhunter wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ctonhunter wrote:

I personally find it offensive when someone is offended for someone else.


So basically, unless I am transgender, I can't, say, donate $5 to a transgender help line?


That's different. Of course you can support.

Though to be offended for them especially if they are not offended themselves is different.

If my memory serves correct when Speedy Gonzales popped up he was considered offensive to Mexicans. However Mexicans weren't offended, but people were being offended for them


Hence my status on "trivial matters" no one is likely to be offended by. But when something is clearly bigoted and hateful I believe people should voice their distaste. This is merely a bogus cop out to silence the opposition.
Posted 12/30/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

Yes and no. A lot of times the people they're getting offended for normally don't give a flying fuck.

The other issue is the one I mentioned before. Breeding this attitude that they should be offended by such matters when they otherwise, likely, would not been.

It can do a lot more harm than help. There's a balance to it. In this case, I'm afraid less is more. Today, just enough care to rationally approach issues is enough. Often it's too much when one gets emotionally invested in it for other people.

Care, yes. Outraged for them, no.


Huh, make sense.
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You should let others know when they crossed some kind of line, but never fly off the handle over every little thing.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Basically the title. I've been told "not to speak for other people", such as transgender. What do you think? Personally, unless the offense was trivial I believe I can get outraged.


I'm sometimes more concerned or appalled (sometimes outraged) than offended, but I think it's being a good human being to speak up on behalf of others when the situation warrants it.

I feel like you speak intelligently and compassionately when other users speak from naivety, ignorance, insensitivity, or sheer assholery and I am really happy to see you do so. To help educate, present different viewpoints, and encourage people to be more open to and aware of other people's experience (even if that is not your own personal experience) is a very right thing to do in my opinion.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ctonhunter wrote:

I personally find it offensive when someone is offended for someone else.


So basically, unless I am transgender, I can't, say, donate $5 to a transgender help line?

This is the most ridiculous apples to oranges comparison I've ever seen.

Actually.. no it's not. But no, white knighting is never okay. You're doing nothing more than announcing that you know better the struggle of the people that are actually suffering. It's okay to not like what other people say, because that's your opinion and guess what, everyone has one, but if it's not your own personal situation than it's none of your business.

Now please, everyone is offended enough, stop being more offended.

stop

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Ah okay I believe I may have misread then.

Then in that case with something being clearly bigoted and hateful then I see nothing wrong with voicing your distaste.

Posted 12/30/15

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Ctonhunter wrote:

I personally find it offensive when someone is offended for someone else.


So basically, unless I am transgender, I can't, say, donate $5 to a transgender help line?

This is the most ridiculous apples to oranges comparison I've ever seen.

Actually.. no it's not. But no, white knighting is never okay. You're doing nothing more than announcing that you know better the struggle of the people that are actually suffering. It's okay to not like what other people say, because that's your opinion and guess what, everyone has one, but if it's not your own personal situation than it's none of your business.

Now please, everyone is offended enough, stop being more offended.

stop



Yeah, I was being stupider than usual. I cooled down now.
Posted 12/30/15

Ctonhunter wrote:



Ah okay I believe I may have misread then.

Then in that case with something being clearly bigoted and hateful then I see nothing wrong with voicing your distaste.



I'm sorry, I flew off the handle.

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Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


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If the you are NOT the target then there is no need to take offense for someone else. What if the real target does not get offended and you do? what does that say about you?


I beleive everyone should learn to take offense. Remember, taking offense for a group is different than a person. Say someone says something clearly racist, but the black guy doesn't do anything. Then the racist uses tokenism as a defense saying"What, he's not doing anything about it!" That just seems like a bogus defense, to use one anomaly as the rule all be all. You're basically categorizing an entire group of people and their actions into one person. Isn't that outrageous?


I guess in that respect you are right. It is rather ignorant. I just don't like to get involved in taking offense for another person when I'm not directly targeted. I can sympathize for the black guy in your story however it is not my position to take offense when I was never the target. If I do so I start to cloud the facts with emotion and when it comes down to knowing right from wrong, emotion and offense definitely obscure justice.
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oh you don't need to apologize. It's fine

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As a cishet white dude there is very little that offends me personally but I am gonna call out bigotry when I see it.
Posted 12/30/15
I'm offended by people who don't take their maternal and paternal roles seriously; people who have multiple sex partners, jump from relationship to relationship, shove their responsibility onto their children, abandon their children emotionally, intellectually, or physically, anything, in order to sate their own selfish desires. You can't always put your children first, there are other responsibilities that need ones immediate attention, but when you put your child dead last... These people offend me, just by living. Because it offends me that these people have the right to breed. It offends me that these people are permitted to be near children. These people are a tremendous detriment to society, due to how they pollute children's psychological development for the absolute worse, which affects an entire generation of people, and whenever I hear one of them talk, or write, and whine about "me, me, me," which they always do, I want to find them, and gently pierce a sharp object through their eye socket. Do you know who says "It's none of your business what I choose to do to / teach my children"? Predators. It is not wrong of me to be concerned about a filthy virus that infect the society that I too have to live in. Nuh-uh.
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It's a forum. You can choose to give an opinion if you want to or not. Everyone else is free to read it or ignore it or give their opinion on that.
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Posted 12/30/15 , edited 12/30/15
The problem with getting offended on other people's behalfs that I've noticed is you start to raise a fuss over things that aren't even offensive.

For example there was a cartoon Character named Speedy Gonzales. it was a mexican mouse that ran fast. But some people raised a fuss saying he was a stereotype of mexicans and got him pretty much banned for a while (although I hear he's back not). The problem is no mexicans were offended and even liked the character. All the people who were offended were other groups who were "speaking for" the mexicans.

You see the problem? There is nothing wrong with coming to someone elses aid but don't go getting offended and rushing to the defense of people who haven't even asked for help of any kind. It's part of the reason people get offended over every little thing these days.

it's not just that some people are over sensitive but it's that people who want to act like "heroes" will "rush to the defense" of anyone when they perceive something that might be offensive to someone. Again the people in question could be completely un-bothered by it but they'll fight to get it changed or removed "for their sakes" whether they asked for it or not.
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