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No one is belittling you - find me examples where you those who are high functioning members of society who fall within the DSM V's ASD are targeted? I don't know of any examples, but I do find your statements misleading as to the norms of Autism, and if your goal is to EDUCATE then you should follow a more suitable approach such as an actual geneticist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlMcLTqRLs

I don't think everyone views it negatively either, when we discuss terms of understanding genetic mutations within medical research - then yes, we are under the assumption of suffering; however, I do agree there is a misguided social understanding of a high functioning ASD member, but I don't believe it is inherently negative.

"I just wanted to let you guys know as you probably never heard of this but there is a movement going on to strip those with Autism of there rights and not to accept us"

It's fine to take pride in it; I did not state there was harm in that & I am glad that you do well, but comparing it to a movement that has received ACTUAL legislation and public harassment against it is unnecessary & wrong. When was the last time it was illegal to have Aspergers? I don't remember anyone holding up signs that says "God hates Asps" - In Sparta you would have been thrown off a cliff at birth most likely, but not here in modern times. & that is why I told you to grow up.

Autism is a spectrum of disorders, not a singular - if you have ASD, you of all people should understand the diversity among the ranges, and with that understand that this "cure" thing you keep going on about is not necessarily a fix all. Right now researchers are still trying to understand it, not cure it, and the aspects that are attempting to be "cured" are things to make life better in small increments.

Lol you need to chill - it was half-sarcasm - & more importantly, i never said anything about "wiping Autism out" - I am not sure who you hang around to get the impression that the public opinion is towards "wiping" out Auti's like you are Jews, but it is not rational or well founded.



No one is targeted that's not what i was trying to say.

Also you are right and i don't believe it can be cured as it's neurological but there are people out there that want to (Autism speaks).

I got my view of the public opinion by talking to people in real life and online and most of them view Autism as something negative that must be wiped out but you may be right and it may be a little irrational i'm just going off of what i have experienced though so forgive me for that.

I just want people to know that as you said Autism is a spectrum of disorders and i want people to know it's not all bad but it's not all sunshine and rainbows also.

Sorry i got a little worked up there before i tend to become a little bit irrational and illogical when i debate something that i consider to be very important to me a very bad habit.

All i meant in this thread and im realizing how people got confused when i said i hope for a kid that is Autistic like me i mean functioning as well as me but that is all up to opinion about if it's ok to want that or not as people i know have said it's fine some say it's wrong i think that is just subject to debate upon opinions.
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Instead of requiring people fit into a certain brain wiring, you could just treat them like they are normal human beings yourself. You don't have to "relate" to your child to be a good parent to them. That's probably too hard though. Why work when we can just design our kid to automatically fit within our narrow schema of understanding?


You obviously have never grown up not relating to your family.

It's 100x worse then having your parents divorced which fucks kids up as it is.

All kids are humans that goes without saying and we all deserve the same treatment.

But i didn't expect everyone to see and understand my point of view and opinions on the matter after all we are all different and see things in vastly different ways


I just don't want my child to have to go through what i did and if they are NT well they will go through the same thing i did regardless of how much i care and love them and that is a fact i can't change.

All i can do is hope they won't have to go through that which is what i do hope but as they say "Shit happens"


Good to know you're the expert on how I was brought up.

I don't relate to my parents, but I'm able to step outside of my own head long enough to understand the position from which they came when they were raising me. I don't really feel the need to bring my whole life story into this though because it's highly irrelevant.

Your hypothetical kids wouldn't have to go through this if you simply didn't treat them as different for being "NT" or whatever you're calling this. If you are incapable of doing that, it is more a problem with you, and less a problem with them.
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mickeydayum wrote:

Instead of requiring people fit into a certain brain wiring, you could just treat them like they are normal human beings yourself. You don't have to "relate" to your child to be a good parent to them. That's probably too hard though. Why work when we can just design our kid to automatically fit within our narrow schema of understanding?


You obviously have never grown up not relating to your family.

It's 100x worse then having your parents divorced which fucks kids up as it is.

All kids are humans that goes without saying and we all deserve the same treatment.

But i didn't expect everyone to see and understand my point of view and opinions on the matter after all we are all different and see things in vastly different ways


I just don't want my child to have to go through what i did and if they are NT well they will go through the same thing i did regardless of how much i care and love them and that is a fact i can't change.

All i can do is hope they won't have to go through that which is what i do hope but as they say "Shit happens"


Good to know you're the expert on how I was brought up.

I don't relate to my parents, but I'm able to step outside of my own head long enough to understand the position from which they came when they were raising me. I don't really feel the need to bring my whole life story into this though because it's highly irrelevant.

Your hypothetical kids wouldn't have to go through this if you simply didn't treat them as different for being "NT" or whatever you're calling this. If you are incapable of doing that, it is more a problem with you, and less a problem with them.



No one said i would treat them differently i mean i would need to as a NT kid and an Aspergers Kid have different needs so on that basis i would need to.

But other then that i would treat any child of mine the same as the next.

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People dont want their kids to have autism because they dont want their child to have to struggle in life. Whether or not they are over reacting or you think they are stupid for believing that, most people mean it from a loving place.

A parent is never going to not love their child (usually) but Im sure they would rather have them live a happy life with minimal struggle.
Most of the time its a combination of misguided kindness and a lack of personal experience. You know what its like to have autism so you can decide if its worth your child having it. Some middle class white women from Ohio might not have the same experience and therefore have a different opinion.



It's worth having it i believe and honestly minimal struggle sounds like a nightmare you would turn out to be really weak so to speak but hey that's just generalizing.

I want my kids to be Autistic like me not just for some selfish wish but because i too grew up in a family where i could not relate to my parents or brother and sister since i was the only Autistic person.

I click with other Autistic people and feel a sense of belonging and calm that i never felt in my life and that i wish i had as a child.

I think its worth being the way i am and i hope they are like me not for my sake but for there sake as well.


Shit I don't relate to anyone in my family and I'm not autistic. Its really not that bad.

It really sounds to me you want them to be autistic for your own gain. Not relating to your child is really not that bad. I never related to either my parents, and I never had a problem with it.

Also as someone who grew up rather weak and scrawny I can assure you pitying someone is the biggest insult you can lay against them. I don't wish my children are the same as me or live my life. I want them to be better than I ever was.
I want to take the pain I've experienced and pass it on to them so they never have to go through what I did. If I could make it so my children DONT become like me i.e. born with my condition I would in a heartbeat no question.

Obviously you don't see autism as that bad which it might not be, I wouldn't know all I can use is knowing how people around me were treated. But you seriously have to consider what you are going to put your child through emotionally and physically.

Honestly I don't even see the debate here like literally this is a opinion piece there isn't anything to debate.
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As an abnormal person myself, I cannot emphasize enough that being normal is a good thing.
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Irishsushi wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Irishsushi wrote:

People dont want their kids to have autism because they dont want their child to have to struggle in life. Whether or not they are over reacting or you think they are stupid for believing that, most people mean it from a loving place.

A parent is never going to not love their child (usually) but Im sure they would rather have them live a happy life with minimal struggle.
Most of the time its a combination of misguided kindness and a lack of personal experience. You know what its like to have autism so you can decide if its worth your child having it. Some middle class white women from Ohio might not have the same experience and therefore have a different opinion.



It's worth having it i believe and honestly minimal struggle sounds like a nightmare you would turn out to be really weak so to speak but hey that's just generalizing.

I want my kids to be Autistic like me not just for some selfish wish but because i too grew up in a family where i could not relate to my parents or brother and sister since i was the only Autistic person.

I click with other Autistic people and feel a sense of belonging and calm that i never felt in my life and that i wish i had as a child.

I think its worth being the way i am and i hope they are like me not for my sake but for there sake as well.


Shit I don't relate to anyone in my family and I'm not autistic. Its really not that bad.

It really sounds to me you want them to be autistic for your own gain. Not relating to your child is really not that bad. I never related to either my parents, and I never had a problem with it.

Also as someone who grew up rather weak and scrawny I can assure you pitying someone is the biggest insult you can lay against them. I don't wish my children are the same as me or live my life. I want them to be better than I ever was.
I want to take the pain I've experienced and pass it on to them so they never have to go through what I did. If I could make it so my children DONT become like me i.e. born with my condition I would in a heartbeat no question.

Obviously you don't see autism as that bad which it might not be, I wouldn't know all I can use is knowing how people around me were treated. But you seriously have to consider what you are going to put your child through emotionally and physically.

Honestly I don't even see the debate here like literally this is a opinion piece there isn't anything to debate.



True it is just an opinion in the end.
Part of it may be selfish and what i want but it is also partly also the opposite.

It's interesting not relating to your parents wasn't bad for you maybe thats because you could relate to others in your life where as i went till i was 13+ to meet people i could relate to? i dunno i want my children to be better then me also and i don't think being what people consider normal is better in my full honest opinion i think it's better to be abnormal but i guess that's because i'm abnormal myself so it goes without saying i guess.

it's just my opinion at the end of the day and not a debate i guess your right there.
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As an abnormal person myself, I cannot emphasize enough that being normal is a good thing.



I see being Abnormal as a better thing

I guess in the end this is all subjective opinion.

I see being abnormal and the way i am better then what people consider normal in alot of cases (not superior or anything i just see it as a better thing but i guess that is because i'm abnormal myself and would hate it if i was normal)

So i guess it's all just subjective opinions like how alot of normal people think being normal is better etc
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But I think that no one is normal..
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But I think that no one is normal..


Well that goes without saying but when people say a normal person they mean the masses who are pretty much alike but very different with individual personalities
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Marthh wrote:

But I think that no one is normal..


Well that goes without saying but when people say a normal person they mean the masses who are pretty much alike but very different with individual personalities


Ohh that is very true~
Sorry I commented a bit carelessly. ^^;
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