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I don't think this is spoken about enough. But when we break down economic systems, it seems quite obvious to me that socialism seems to promote a slave mindset more so than any other economic system. How so, I'll explain...


A slave is subserviant, never questions authority, feels that is purpose is to serve a master, and has no say so about his path in life. The basis of slavery is basically lack of choice. Slavery will and will always be the absence of freedom, and the core property of freedom is most certainly choice. It doesn't matter how much that single option is, if you can't choose an alternative, then you are bound to it.


Slavery is a system that you can't really opt out of. And when I say "opt out" I literally mean that you can't really choose not to be a slave. It is your master that decides to free you or not. You can't "quit".


I want to be very specific of these guidelines, as people often try to extend the meaning of slavery, when it's fairly concrete what it is.


Socialism is a system in which allegedly the people control the means of production. This is the theory behind it, but the reality is that a group of people and organizations supposedly represent the "people". People opt into a system or service, but there is little choice in opting out. There isn't an alternative, there is just hope through a process that things may change. But people as individuals can't really influence the structure of the service in any meaningful way.


This is akin to slavery in some respect. But one has to look at examples of slavery. One will say that capitalism promotes slavery even more than socialism. But if we look at history, slavery is bound by laws. Laws that made it illegal for slaves to exercise any choice. Law and government was designed to keep slavery instituted. This means slavery, and the act of slavery was a central institution, enforcable by law. If slavery were the Will of the slave owner, an escape slave could not be punished because it could not be enforced. So law was a crucial part in sustaining slavery.


But structurally is slavery socialistic? I believe so. The more socialism you have, the less choice you have. To the point where on the spectrum of socialism, socialism is closer to slavery. The key is the lack of choice. And one can look at slavery in this way. Slaves generally had clothes, shelter, and food. But they were still slaves. The key is they never had a choice of food, a choice of clothes, or a choice of shelter. Nor could they never choose not to have these things. It was forced upon them.


I believe that it is economic miseducation that capitalism is often considered an enabler of slavery. Been in reality the power in slavery was due to it's centralize government enforced mandates.
Posted 12/31/15
Socialism and authoritarianism are two different axises, aren't they? I don't follow how AHA would lead to slavery.
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I'd post something similar to the guy above me but to lazy to find a picture... I'll just post the last image I used
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I think we're essentially talking about communism? I believe socialism can include a variety of things, while their is communism, and specifically marxism-leninism.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I think we're essentially talking about communism?



I try reading it but he kind mind fuck me with his views. No sure he saying socialism is wrong or excuse to do bad things.
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There is no one political spectrum. they are all subjective.

google political spectrum, they are all different images. American conservatives prefer to subscribe to the spectrum where the extreme left side has all flavors of totalitarianism (monarchy, communism, socialism, fascism) where the extreme right has anarchy. Meanwhile the european model has communism on the left and fascism on the right, basically a choice between one flavor of totalitarianism or another.


biscuitnote obviously subscribes to the spectrum of the american conservative. Left side is total government and the right is no government.
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I would also include government hands outs. As people become dependent on hands outs they lack the motivation to move forward or if they attempt to better themselves, the hand outs are no longer available. This is another form of slavery in my opinion.
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I'd post something similar to the guy above me but to lazy to find a picture... I'll just post the last image I used


Dayum cats that is one big url! But yeah what the guy above you said.
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Werina wrote:

Too much to read


This is why socialism is winning it relies on ignorance to spread.
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I would also include government hands outs. As people become dependent on hands outs they lack the motivation to move forward or if they attempt to better themselves, the hand outs are no longer available. This is another form of slavery in my opinion.


Exactly and who controls the hand outs calls the shots they are completely beholden to their master.
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IMHO, I think everyone here needs to do some pretty extensive research on Political Economic Systems.
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macht_gut wrote:

I would also include government hands outs. As people become dependent on hands outs they lack the motivation to move forward or if they attempt to better themselves, the hand outs are no longer available. This is another form of slavery in my opinion.


If people become too unmotivated that they live on measly handouts, that's not slavery. That's being lazy. Of your own accord.
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