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Because first they have to uproot whatever competition is there. Also, they suck.
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FUNimation has loads of UK rights for titles, they just can't be arsed.

I'm still pissed off about them delaying Daisuki's weekly simulcast of Concrete Revolutio for us and not replacing it. So we're technically a week behind on Concrete Revolutio and I accidentally ran into spoilers for the finale.

Justin Rojas said international expansion would be announced early this year, so maybe they'll get their crap together and stop pulling stunts like that.
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It does annoy me that some shows that Funimation licensed are not shown in Europe. One Piece, for example, while it may be in CR, it's for US only due to licensing restricions.
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Buzz201 wrote:

Justin Rojas said international expansion would be announced early this year, so maybe they'll get their crap together and stop pulling stunts like that.

They had replied about a year ago on Twitter, "We are working on expanding our territories for digital content in 2015.", but as the year came to a close, it was clear they didn't meet that deadline.

As I hadn't seen any update from them on the situation, it is interesting to see this wasn't a plan that was quietly shelved. This also ties in with some hints being dropped in the forum that their will be changes to their website this year that tie in with other things (such as an Apple TV app and soft subtitles).


It will be interesting to see whether they are timid or aggressive about international expansion. Timid would be just adding one country, and the UK would be the most logical one, as it is an English-speaking one (meaning no additional subtitling costs), and wouldn't put them in competition with a company that sub-licenses from them for home video but also has a streaming service.

It will be interesting (especially if they are more aggressive, and perhaps go for other parts of Europe and/or South America) to see how they deal with differences in regional licensing. I can't see them limiting their streaming titles to only those they can get for all regions, which means they would likely run into the same "I don't get as much for the money I pay" complaints as CR.

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They had replied about a year ago on Twitter, "We are working on expanding our territories for digital content in 2015.", but as the year came to a close, it was clear they didn't meet that deadline.

As I hadn't seen any update from them on the situation, it is interesting to see this wasn't a plan that was quietly shelved. This also ties in with some hints being dropped in the forum that their will be changes to their website this year that tie in with other things (such as an Apple TV app and soft subtitles).


It will be interesting to see whether they are timid or aggressive about international expansion. Timid would be just adding one country, and the UK would be the most logical one, as it is an English-speaking one (meaning no additional subtitling costs), and wouldn't put them in competition with a company that sub-licenses from them for home video but also has a streaming service.

It will be interesting (especially if they are more aggressive, and perhaps go for other parts of Europe and/or South America) to see how they deal with differences in regional licensing. I can't see them limiting their streaming titles to only those they can get for all regions, which means they would likely run into the same "I don't get as much for the money I pay" complaints as CR.



On the most recent ANNCast FUNimation did, he said a formal announcement would be made early next year (meaning 2016).


I could see them going for UK, Ireland and Scandinavia to begin within, as they generally get sold together and all speak English (to a reasonable competency), and potentially at a later date some Central or South American countries too.

I can't see them limiting titles to what they can get for all their countries either, but they are already doing a fairly good job of securing English-language rights to most of their titles, especially the big ones so it would probably be less of an issue.

As I've said, I don't think it's the fact Crunchyroll has NA-only content that upsets people, I think it's the fact Crunchyroll has a HUGE amount of NA-only content, consisting of many enormously popular and successful titles that aren't streaming internationally. And almost no content that's exclusive to non-NA customers. (As far as I know, it's just Prison School and Gangsta.) It's the lack of balance that puts people off; if Crunchyroll were to delay their announcements to splice in some international announcements as well, I doubt anyone would care, but the scales are just tipped so hard in North America's favour it's hard not to be jealous.


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It does annoy me that some shows that Funimation licensed are not shown in Europe. One Piece, for example, while it may be in CR, it's for US only due to licensing restricions.


That's not FUNimation's fault they don't have the UK, Ireland & Scandinavia licence. The European rights are held by Toei Animation Europe who oppose streaming and live under the delusion that if they wait long enough a TV broadcast deal will come. (It won't, and they take a lot of convincing to believe that, which is why DBZ Kai is only just getting a DVD release in the UK.)
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And almost no content that's exclusive to non-NA customers. (As far as I know, it's just Prison School and Gangsta.)

There are a number of other titles. CR started non-NA simulcasts back with No-Rin in winter 2014. The problem with these are that they often exclude English-language rights. Also, if a simulcast isn't in their region, people typically don't count it, even if it excludes the US.

People may talk about "outside the US", but in their thoughts it really comes down to "what is available in my country". I can't blame them, as it is human nature, but they need to try and keep that in mind.

I've also seen the occasional mention of catalog titles licensed outside the US, but those don't normally appear in the Site News.


It will be interesting to see how Funimation deals with title availability disparity, especially in regards to their library. For example, I doubt they will be able to overcome the Toei Europe problem with One Piece, a title no doubt many international subscribers would have at the top of their list.

While it wouldn't help with One Piece (as it is ongoing), one way to mitigate the problem would be to start out with a "simulcasts only" subscription at some lower price than their standard subscription.


Frankly, with Funimation on the production committee for Dimension W, and it already announced as being "simulcast internationally", I originally expected it to be their debut to international simulcasting. As it doesn't premiere until January 10, it might still happen, but at this point I feel it is likely the international aspect will be handled by someone else (probably Daisuki).

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There are a number of other titles. CR started non-NA simulcasts back with No-Rin in winter 2014. The problem with these are that they often exclude English-language rights. Also, if a simulcast isn't in their region, people typically don't count it, even if it excludes the US.

People may talk about "outside the US", but in their thoughts it really comes down to "what is available in my country". I can't blame them, as it is human nature, but they need to try and keep that in mind.

I've also seen the occasional mention of catalog titles licensed outside the US, but those don't normally appear in the Site News.

So they only post North American catalogue acquisitions in Site News and then wonder why people are pissed off with seeing them? The obvious solution would be to add of the catalogue announcements to the Site News section.

I heard a suggestion that at one point, they had several European Premium Members only simulcasts, but the objections from North Americans were so vociferous they killed the idea and it wasn't tried again. Don't know true that is though, you'd probably know more than me.


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It will be interesting to see how Funimation deals with title availability disparity, especially in regards to their library. For example, I doubt they will be able to overcome the Toei Europe problem with One Piece, a title no doubt many international subscribers would have at the top of their list.

While it wouldn't help with One Piece (as it is ongoing), one way to mitigate the problem would be to start out with a "simulcasts only" subscription at some lower price than their standard subscription.


FUNimation don't have UK rights to One Piece. It should be noted not long after Crunchyroll made a big deal of One Piece HD that a French company, TF1, was able to convince Toei Europe to let them stream One Piece, although I think it was catalogue episodes rather than simulcasts. So the cynic in me thinks perhaps, Crunchyroll didn't really try for European rights or wanted a very specific package and weren't at all flexible.


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Frankly, with Funimation on the production committee for Dimension W, and it already announced as being "simulcast internationally", I originally expected it to be their debut to international simulcasting. As it doesn't premiere until January 10, it might still happen, but at this point I feel it is likely the international aspect will be handled by someone else (probably Daisuki).


I think the more likely scenario is that FUNimation were lying or considers North America, Australia and New Zealand to qualify as "across the world".

Though to be fair, some of their shows did pop up on Animax in the UK earlier this season (some were pulled within a month, others remain). So maybe they'll do deals with separate local providers. Most of their Daisuki deals in the UK have started as delaycasts*, even if no other provider has the show, so it'd be a shame if that was the only option.

*I think some were moved up to simulcasts later on, but I don't know with any certainty.
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Buzz201 wrote:

Justin Rojas said international expansion would be announced early this year, so maybe they'll get their crap together and stop pulling stunts like that.

They had replied about a year ago on Twitter, "We are working on expanding our territories for digital content in 2015.", but as the year came to a close, it was clear they didn't meet that deadline.

As I hadn't seen any update from them on the situation, it is interesting to see this wasn't a plan that was quietly shelved. This also ties in with some hints being dropped in the forum that their will be changes to their website this year that tie in with other things (such as an Apple TV app and soft subtitles).


It will be interesting to see whether they are timid or aggressive about international expansion. Timid would be just adding one country, and the UK would be the most logical one, as it is an English-speaking one (meaning no additional subtitling costs), and wouldn't put them in competition with a company that sub-licenses from them for home video but also has a streaming service.

It will be interesting (especially if they are more aggressive, and perhaps go for other parts of Europe and/or South America) to see how they deal with differences in regional licensing. I can't see them limiting their streaming titles to only those they can get for all regions, which means they would likely run into the same "I don't get as much for the money I pay" complaints as CR.




In Daisuki Funimation there are 9 series for Latin American users , this may be the expansion of territories they claimed , even for this season Daisuki funimation ad 4 series but have not told the territories but will be sure to Usa, Canada , Latin America , South Africa .
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So they only post North American catalogue acquisitions in Site News and then wonder why people are pissed off with seeing them? The obvious solution would be to add of the catalogue announcements to the Site News section.

I heard a suggestion that at one point, they had several European Premium Members only simulcasts, but the objections from North Americans were so vociferous they killed the idea and it wasn't tried again. Don't know true that is though, you'd probably know more than me.

I believe I've seen one non-US catalog acquisition mentioned in the Site News section of the forum. The remainder have either been in the News section, and often specific to that region.

Personally, I haven't seen any Premium Members simulcasts that excluded the US. I have occassionally seen simulcasts that had expanded regions available to Premium Members, but none excluded the US, and the last I can recall that required US members to be premium was the original Fairy Tail simulcast.



FUNimation don't have UK rights to One Piece. It should be noted not long after Crunchyroll made a big deal of One Piece HD that a French company, TF1, was able to convince Toei Europe to let them stream One Piece, although I think it was catalogue episodes rather than simulcasts. So the cynic in me thinks perhaps, Crunchyroll didn't really try for European rights or wanted a very specific package and weren't at all flexible.

That is why it will be an interesting point when they expand internationally. If they aren't able to get it for those countries, they'll be in the same availability disparity boat from the outset as CR, even if they limited themselves to new/ongoing simulcasts.

One way to get around that would be to not offer international subscriptions initially, and provide only free viewing. That would be a break-even proposition at best, however, and more likely a money-losing one. As Funimation was initially a free-view only service, it would not be unprecedented. They could also slap a beta label on it to mitigate any problems they might encounter during streaming.



I think the more likely scenario is that FUNimation were lying or considers North America, Australia and New Zealand to qualify as "across the world".

The "simulcast internationally" statement didn't appear to imply said simulcast would be the responsibility of Funimation:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-04/dimension-w-anime-announcement-video-reveals-staff-tv-format/.90072

The description on the video notes that the series will get a simultaneous worldwide release in 2016.

If their position on the production committee was to secure international rights, but they aren't currently ready to use them, it makes sense to either temporarily or non-exclusively license those rights to another party or parties.

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TheAncientOne wrote:

I believe I've seen one non-US catalog acquisition mentioned in the Site News section of the forum. The remainder have either been in the News section, and often specific to that region.

Personally, I haven't seen any Premium Members simulcasts that excluded the US. I have occassionally seen simulcasts that had expanded regions available to Premium Members, but none excluded the US, and the last I can recall that required US members to be premium was the original Fairy Tail simulcast.


I guess that claim wasn't true then. I did think it was weird that it wasn't frequently brought up.

World Trigger is premium members only in large parts of the world, it's also one of only a few recent Toei shows to be simulcast in Europe. Maybe Toei Europe would be open to similar deals in future, but Crunchyroll aren't or something, as you say, it will be interesting to find out.


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That is why it will be an interesting point when they expand internationally. If they aren't able to get it for those countries, they'll be in the same availability disparity boat from the outset as CR, even if they limited themselves to new/ongoing simulcasts.

One way to get around that would be to not offer international subscriptions initially, and provide only free viewing. That would be a break-even proposition at best, however, and more likely a money-losing one. As Funimation was initially a free-view only service, it would not be unprecedented. They could also slap a beta label on it to mitigate any problems they might encounter during streaming.


FUNimation are at a distinct advantage though in that many of their shows haven't streamed in the UK before or have only been on Netflix, so even if they can't clear everything there's several huge shows that are still new to us.


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The "simulcast internationally" statement didn't appear to imply said simulcast would be the responsibility of Funimation:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-07-04/dimension-w-anime-announcement-video-reveals-staff-tv-format/.90072

The description on the video notes that the series will get a simultaneous worldwide release in 2016.

If their position on the production committee was to secure international rights, but they aren't currently ready to use them, it makes sense to either temporarily or non-exclusively license those rights to another party or parties.


This is a company that delayed Daisuki's simulcasts of Concrete Revolutio in the UK, Ireland, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and South Africa, despite their being no alternative stream (so they literally screwed us for no gain whatsoever), a company that acquires foreign rights to titles then refuses to stream them there and then has the gall to complain about piracy. Don't treat them as having any logic or reason behind their decisions, just assume the worst and they'll more than deliver.


If FUNimation do come to the UK, I can quite see them not getting the warm "saviors of anime" welcome they're expecting and potentially even withdrawing tail between legs not long after. I'll personally be very very disappointed if they don't get called out for their Concrete Revolutio stunt, and all the other BS they've pulled over the years...
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I guess that there is many who would counter for such "open" source for their material and when the items etc is more in their places (anime related products and that they will "loose" on this and yes some would think this could mean going bankrupt if they didn't have something you want to seek and will pay to see?)
So... I think its atleast if someone on these more open areas could tell them about the benefits and how these more "global" used sites could make many more consumers for them, meaning also more content and income?


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sure... *calls in the dragons!*
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