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How President Obama & Hillary Clinton Created I.S.I.S. -This is really big, I mean, really BIG.
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Ello, Clickbait!
hello fish, was there good taste on it?

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Is it true? Is it not?

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I mean.. I suppose you can look up any video that'll confirm your bias, but that doesn't mean it's actually true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzmO6RWy1v8
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Well, it's no secret that terrorist groups were able to take advantage of the chaos Obama and Hillary caused when they took out Qaddafi. Now these knuckleheads are arming these same terrorists to overthrow Assad. Clearly they believe their work in Libya was a success.
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What a load of shit. Edward Snowden himself became a terrorist later on. Just like ISIS, these conspiracy theorists just want something to rebel and fight against. What they're doing makes no sense but they just feel the need to have some kind of enemy. Pathetic.
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Edward Snowden himself became a terrorist later on.


What?

Do you even know who Edward Snowden is? I think you're confusing him for someone else. He doesn't even have anything to do with this topic.
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snowden was an interesting guy
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What?

Do you even know who Edward Snowden is? I think you're confusing him for someone else. He doesn't even have anything to do with this topic.



He clearly does since the OP mentioned him
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eclair-lumiere wrote:




What?

Do you even know who Edward Snowden is? I think you're confusing him for someone else. He doesn't even have anything to do with this topic.


He clearly does since the OP mentioned him


Alright maybe a little. OP mentioned that the video is by someone with links to Snowden. Still, do you even know who he is? If you do, it wouldn't make sense to call him a terrorist.
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Alright maybe a little. OP mentioned that the video is by someone with links to Snowden. Still, do you even know who he is? If you do, it wouldn't make sense to call him a terrorist.


Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he might as well have done. Anyone who helps ISIS may as well be a terrorist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620270/Traitor-Edward-Snowden-taught-ISIS-Paris-terrorists-avoid-detection-NSA-CIA-John-Brennan
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Alright maybe a little. OP mentioned that the video is by someone with links to Snowden. Still, do you even know who he is? If you do, it wouldn't make sense to call him a terrorist.


Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he might as well have done. Anyone who helps ISIS may as well be a terrorist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620270/Traitor-Edward-Snowden-taught-ISIS-Paris-terrorists-avoid-detection-NSA-CIA-John-Brennan


This is just a suggestion, but maybe you should read the article before coming to conclusions based on headlines.

Edward Snowden had nothing to do with the Paris attacks. That was just the CIA director blaming Snowden for his own failures. In case you're not aware, the CIA has been attacking Snowden with false propaganda ever since Snowden uncovered the government illegally spying on innocent citizens. I know the U.K. loves Big Brother, but programs like are against the law here in the U.S. and our Supreme Court even agrees that it's unconstitutional. However, our government is too corrupt to do anything about it other than advocate for more indiscriminate surveillance.

Anyways, back to the article. The CIA director is pretty much saying "our mass surveillance systems, which have existed for over a decade, have failed to be productive because a guy who was doing his job up until only two years ago." You see how stupid that sounds? And keep in mind that France has even stronger mass surveillance programs than we do here in the U.S. and they still failed to detect any threat. It makes no sense to blame Snowden for the failures of a broken system that has been counterproductive long before he ever leaked anything.
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The whole reason why ISIS and Al Queida are so popular now is because when Bush got rid of Saddam and Obama took out Quadafi, there was chaos in the area and no stability. Ironically, having a dictator actually kept things stable.
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This is just a suggestion, but maybe you should read the article before coming to conclusions based on headlines.

Edward Snowden had nothing to do with the Paris attacks. That was just the CIA director blaming Snowden for his own failures. In case you're not aware, the CIA has been attacking Snowden with false propaganda ever since Snowden uncovered the government illegally spying on innocent citizens. I know the U.K. loves Big Brother, but programs like are against the law here in the U.S. and our Supreme Court even agrees that it's unconstitutional. However, our government is too corrupt to do anything about it other than advocate for more indiscriminate surveillance.

Anyways, back to the article. The CIA director is pretty much saying "our mass surveillance systems, which have existed for over a decade, have failed to be productive because a guy who was doing his job up until only two years ago." You see how stupid that sounds? And keep in mind that France has even stronger mass surveillance programs than we do here in the U.S. and they still failed to detect any threat. It makes no sense to blame Snowden for the failures of a broken system that has been counterproductive long before he ever leaked anything.



The UK doesn't enjoy being spied on. And we definitely don't get spied on to the extent that the USA does. But even if we did, I would rather have that than be attacked by terrorists. The CIA was spying on many innocent people illegally, but hey... just the average day in America now, right? Nothing your government does surprises m anymore.

As for Edward Snowden, he is just like every other anarchist. He just wants a cause to fight against and doesn't care what side he is on or how many innocent people die as a result. Perhaps he didn't help them directly but it's the exact same mindset that terrorists have. Desperately trying to overthrow whoever is in control at the cost of lives because it makes them feel like they're some kind of enlightened hero.
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Reading this thread gives me diabetes.

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eclair-lumiere wrote:

The UK doesn't enjoy being spied on. And we definitely don't get spied on to the extent that the USA does. But even if we did, I would rather have that than be attacked by terrorists. The CIA was spying on many innocent people illegally, but hey... just the average day in America now, right? Nothing your government does surprises m anymore.

As for Edward Snowden, he is just like every other anarchist. He just wants a cause to fight against and doesn't care what side he is on or how many innocent people die as a result. Perhaps he didn't help them directly but it's the exact same mindset that terrorists have. Desperately trying to overthrow whoever is in control at the cost of lives because it makes them feel like they're some kind of enlightened hero.


So when you can't come up with an argument, you just ignore everything I say and go back to the same old message that I already countered? I guess I'll just say it one more time to see if it actually sinks into your head.

Nobody in their right mind would support their government taking illegal actions against their own citizens. All of this mass surveillance nonsense is nothing more than excuse for a police state. There's not one time that a terrorist has ever been caught from these illegal surveillance programs. It makes no sense to say otherwise when the proof is clearly stacked against you. Don't try to say "oh but then the terrorists will kill more people." That's not relevant. There's absolutely no connection between indiscriminate spying and catching terrorists. That's just a lie politicians use to convince ignorant people that they need to be spied on 24/7.

I don't know what kind of brainwashing it takes to convince a person that helping out their fellow citizens against tyranny is the same as terrorism or anarchy. That sounds like something the North Korean government would try to tell its people. By that logic, you would also have to call George Washington a terrorist. If you see people in positions of authority abusing their powers on innocent people, it would only be right to want to expose them. Otherwise you're just giving the abusers a free pass.

As for your comment about the U.K. not being spied on to the extent that the U.S. does, that's a cute little fantasy but you really should do more research on what your own country is doing. Here's a recent article that gives you a clue about how intrusive your country's surveillance is:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34713435

That's pretty much what a lot of pro-surveillance lawmakers here in the U.S. are trying to accomplish.
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