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Explain your opinions in great detail.


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1) Why do murderers exist? What is the point?

2) What goes through the mind of a murderer?


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qualeshia3 wrote:

Let me know if a thread like this one exist or not.
Thanks a bunches.


Explain your opinions in great detail.


Bonus Questions:

1) Why do murderers exist? What is the point?

2) What goes through the mind of a murderer?


Enjoy!!!


I would say that murder is wrong only from the average human perspective. This is due to being self-aware, and realizing that all other humans are also self-aware. We value other lives because we know how much we value our own. However, there are those who do not see things in this way (sociopaths, etc).

Murders exist for a large variety of reasons. Some is mental illness, some is related to other crimes, some is out of anger, and so on and so forth. There is no simple why to murders.

This is also why you can't just say that one type of thing goes through the mind of a murderer. They may be enraged. They may be reluctant but feel they have no choice. They may be mentally unstable. They may just be someone who thinks they can get away with it and has less regard for other human life.

I don't feel like we can really simplify murders within these questions.
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"Is it wrong to take a piss on the living room floor?" No, it isn't, but it's unnecessary when you can go take a piss in the toilet instead. Killing people is no different. It's unnecessary when you can lock them up instead. Simple as that.
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So, we're still learning the ways of a murderer even after being on this earth for eons?
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Hrafna wrote:

"Is it wrong to take a piss on the living room floor?" No, it isn't, but it's unnecessary when you can go take a piss in the toilet instead. Killing people is no different. It's unnecessary when you can lock them up instead. Simple as that.


Ever wondered why killers feels killing is necessary?
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So, we're still learning the ways of a murderer even after being on this earth for eons?


It isn't that we're learning anything. It's simply that it isn't a straight-forward answer. Even those who seem incapable of such acts can do strange things under the right circumstances.

imdb.com/title/tt1704573/ Here's a movie based on a true story. The trial was literally in the next county over, where I used to work. It is the first time in history that a trial was moved to another location not so the defendant would not be unfairly convicted, but because the man was so loved in his community, they felt he couldn't be fairly tried.

By all accounts from those who knew the man, he was an incredible force of good for everyone around him. Even in prison, he STILL worked hard for the people around him. BUT, he was still a murderer. *shrug* Like I said, under the right circumstance, people can do strange things.

Does that make murder any less wrong? No. But it does make it a little harder to slap labels on people like "murderer." It makes the reasons behind murder a little less cut and dry.

You can't predict who will and who will not commit murder....or why... you can take a good stab at it, but you'll be wrong, many times.

Murder sucks, but I don't see it disappearing entirely any time in the near future. The good news is that violent crime has been in decline for quite a while now, despite anti-gun advocates, etc.
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Murderers are complicated beings.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


Murderers are complicated beings.


Or, more simply stated: Murderers are people.
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True.
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My personal view:
Murder is neither "right" nor "wrong" as morality is subjective.
This is due to the fact that our morals derive from social norms so the current view on right or wrong is purely defined by what the majority see as normal and not normal. To kill someone will seem like a horrific action to you, however this is only because that mentality has been instilled within you since birth.
Not to sound like a nutjob but society is a construct that inhibits personal growth to instil a hive mind mentality of conformity. If you really want to kill someone you should be able to do it, however you can't because from birth you have been conditioned to believe it is wrong, this may benefit society as a whole but doesn't it seem to say something about our "free will"?
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My personal view:
Murder is neither "right" nor "wrong" as morality is subjective.
This is due to the fact that our morals derive from social norms so the current view on right or wrong is purely defined by what the majority see as normal and not normal. To kill someone will seem like a horrific action to you, however this is only because that mentality has been instilled within you since birth.
Not to sound like a nutjob but society is a construct that inhibits personal growth to instil a hive mind mentality of conformity. If you really want to kill someone you should be able to do it, however you can't because from birth you have been conditioned to believe it is wrong, this may benefit society as a whole but doesn't it seem to say something about our "free will"?


But you're not a nutjob.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:Or, more simply stated: Murderers are people.


This sums it up perfectly.



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I hope I'm not, that would be inconvenient.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

Ever wondered why killers feels killing is necessary?

Sorry, I was just fucking around. It's ridiculous to compare urination to murder.

To answer you seriously this time around:

Most murders are murders of passion, occurring due to extreme psychological stress. It is the mental breakdown that the killer went through as a result of accepting the inevitability of is own social demise that left him appearing as if incapable of empathy.
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VaughanDS wrote:

My personal view:
Murder is neither "right" nor "wrong" as morality is subjective.
This is due to the fact that our morals derive from social norms so the current view on right or wrong is purely defined by what the majority see as normal and not normal. To kill someone will seem like a horrific action to you, however this is only because that mentality has been instilled within you since birth.
Not to sound like a nutjob but society is a construct that inhibits personal growth to instil a hive mind mentality of conformity. If you really want to kill someone you should be able to do it, however you can't because from birth you have been conditioned to believe it is wrong, this may benefit society as a whole but doesn't it seem to say something about our "free will"?


I understand what you are saying. People are probably going to think I'm a psycho for what I'm about to say.

I personally have been freed of the bad feelings towards killing people... at least from the conceptual point, because I haven't actually killed anyone to know if I would feel guilty.

If being honest with myself, I can't see other people in pain, so I could never torture. It deeply disturbs and upsets me. But the idea of ending someone does not bother me at all. If there were no laws, I could see removing several people simply because they are problematic in my life. However, I also never want to go to prison, and do not feel any burning desire or need to kill, so I will never kill anyone.

It may seem strange, but I blame my solitary lifestyle and the fact that the Marine Corps conditions Marines to be somewhat okay with the concept of killing. It's enabled me to look at it in another way. However, I'm still very sane, and do not feel compelled to kill, so I choose to obey the law for my own safety and happiness. Basically the same reason I follow most laws.

I don't know how normal this is, but I feel like if people were really honest with themselves, many would see that they feel the same way.
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