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Post Reply Philosophically, why is killing/murder wrong?
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Because nobody uses the entire body. They usually just kill it and leave it, bury it or donate it, instead of using the meat and tanning the hide.

Oh wait. Wrong animal.

Murder is bad because it causes people to lose assets, be it emotional, monetary, etc..
Killing in self defense isn't branded the same way because you're just saving yourself from the murderer.

We are really smart animals. We slaughter and do horrible things to lesser ones every day. Hell, we do horrible things to other humans every day. If the majority truly wanted peace, we'd force it on everyone else, in the true human fashion. Peace doesn't make profits, though, so we may never have it. People like to be bad, and/or do bad things because society, or other humans have forced them to resort to it.


I don't believe like to be bad because of society or them being forced to resort to kill someone else. There's people who kill for fun or just because they just enjoy it but that doesn't mean they were forced to kill anyone it's a personally choice. Except if you someone pointing a gun at your gun telling you to kill someone or to be killed. Unless if you are tired of society pissing you and we can only up with only so much until somebody cracks and not in a good way.....as for peace...we will never happen just as you said we'd have to force it on everyone but then it wouldn't be peace if people disagree with it now would it? Everyone has different opinions and ways to think so even though we may all agree on something there will things we can't agree on so we can't really have peace unless if everyone were basically thinking all the same and having the the same views etc etc.
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Being able to die is an evolutionary advantage.
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It's neither right or wrong, killing is thought as negative since god knows how many years.

Some poor bugger got killed and he was in pain, he didn't like it etc so it;s wrong because it hurts us,
but it's neither bad because some animals get killed, they feel pain- they may scream or squeal a little
but nothing more than that. We make a big deal out of it since we're very emotional, so to protect our
mentality- it's wrong.

I also strongly agree with HolyDrumstick, I don't kill people I hate simply because I want to live my life and not
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Me too.
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My personal view:
Murder is neither "right" nor "wrong" as morality is subjective.
This is due to the fact that our morals derive from social norms so the current view on right or wrong is purely defined by what the majority see as normal and not normal. To kill someone will seem like a horrific action to you, however this is only because that mentality has been instilled within you since birth.
Not to sound like a nutjob but society is a construct that inhibits personal growth to instil a hive mind mentality of conformity. If you really want to kill someone you should be able to do it, however you can't because from birth you have been conditioned to believe it is wrong, this may benefit society as a whole but doesn't it seem to say something about our "free will"?


However, those who can think for themselves also have a point of reference called "practical considerations".

Something like murder had better be made wrong, because if it isn't then there's much less stopping someone else from killing you.
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Well that depends. You're saying why is it wrong, but in what context? If it is just killing in general then all I can say is that cutting someone's life short aside from natural causes is wrong, because taking a life for the soul purpose of ending someone's life is in fact wrong, now the why.

It is wrong because we are never suppose to take life from anyone without proper consent or agreement to do so, whether we're talking about two people who both agree that he/she will take the others life, if someone just blatantly murders someone without a clear motive, or justification, then it's wrong. It all depends on the situation.

If we're talking about murdering animals, it is either for sport, survival, or consumption. The only one deemed wrongful is killing for game, the other reasons are for humanities needs and survival, the food chain, the dominant species will decide the outcome of the rest.
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Make me look like a coward? How? I'm not the one trying to run away from issues.

Not sure what an army has to do with it, either. *scratches head* I served 4 years in the USMC....

I guess maybe the Peace Corps or the Humane Society or any other group trying to help mankind or solve world problems would count....

As far as cowards go, I'd say throwing in the towel because of the world's issues is about as cowardly as it gets...


I didn't literally mean a bunch of friendly fire jarheads. I meant a very large group of people united under one banner fighting for one cause, and not with rifles necessarily either..

As for accusing me of throwing in the towel mate.. I ain't doing that, it's just unlike you I refuse to hide behind rose tinted shades. I see the world for what it is. Doesn't mean I am unwilling to do something about it but pretending like you do that everything is all right is probably the worse thing to do.

I am going to forgive the insult since you did your time in uniform but I don't take kindly to having my courage questioned by anyone even a fellow soldier.
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Well that depends. You're saying why is it wrong, but in what context? If it is just killing in general then all I can say is that cutting someone's life short aside from natural causes is wrong, because taking a life for the soul purpose of ending someone's life is in fact wrong, now the why.

It is wrong because we are never suppose to take life from anyone without proper consent or agreement to do so, whether we're talking about two people who both agree that he/she will take the others life, if someone just blatantly murders someone without a clear motive, or justification, then it's wrong. It all depends on the situation.

If we're talking about murdering animals, it is either for sport, survival, or consumption. The only one deemed wrongful is killing for game, the other reasons are for humanities needs and survival, the food chain, the dominant species will decide the outcome of the rest.


Do you value human life?
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Answer to A and B: There's too many people. Time for a culling.
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As HolyDrumstick said: self-awareness.


HolyDrumstick wrote:
I would say that murder is wrong only from the average human perspective. This is due to being self-aware, and realizing that all other humans are also self-aware. We value other lives because we know how much we value our own.


Murder is fundamentally wrong because it ends a person's life. That person is no more. Their flame is extinguished. All thoughts ceased.

I would take a simpler approach and say this: Treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
Think about someone killing you. Ending your life. Let that sink in.
Then realize that killing someone else would mean doing that to them.
I know it sounds redundant, but it really isn't. I think we are so focused on ourselves sometimes we forget to treat other people like actual people, with thoughts and feelings just like ours.

Most humans greatly fear their own death. The very thought fills them with dread.
But we don't usually feel the full weight of death when it happens to someone else, especially someone who is not close to us.
It's probably a defense mechanism though because if we did, we would likely go insane very quickly.

So yeah. Murder is no good.
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Humms wrote:

Well that depends. You're saying why is it wrong, but in what context? If it is just killing in general then all I can say is that cutting someone's life short aside from natural causes is wrong, because taking a life for the soul purpose of ending someone's life is in fact wrong, now the why.

It is wrong because we are never suppose to take life from anyone without proper consent or agreement to do so, whether we're talking about two people who both agree that he/she will take the others life, if someone just blatantly murders someone without a clear motive, or justification, then it's wrong. It all depends on the situation.

If we're talking about murdering animals, it is either for sport, survival, or consumption. The only one deemed wrongful is killing for game, the other reasons are for humanities needs and survival, the food chain, the dominant species will decide the outcome of the rest.


Do you value human life?


Of course I do, I try to save as many people as I can in this life . However there are people who don't deserve to live don't get me wrong. We take a life to save another, is that not how it should be? We Kill a murderer to save others, we save others by killing a murderer. So now what does that make us? A murderer, by killing the one in question we have become what we have tried to prevent. So now murder is acceptable in order to prevent murder, sort of contradictory in a way, but that's the bottom line.

Why is murder wrong? It all depends on the circumstances. Murder is only wrong if it is unjust .

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Thanks a bunches.


Explain your opinions in great detail.


Bonus Questions:

1) Why do murderers exist? What is the point?

2) What goes through the mind of a murderer?


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Killing and murder are different. Killing is nearly anything that involves causing the death of another organism. Murder has to do specifically with humans and some sort of intention. Murder is a very specific type of killing.

I don't think these things are necessarily wrong. Circumstances need to be taken into consideration when assessing the benefits of the action. I think it all boils down to how much benefit is derived from a killing. The more benefit there is, the more sensible it is to kill, the more proper it is to kill. That's pretty simplified, but it's close to my belief that morality is based on how beneficial something is in one particular instance, not an absolute rule that never changes. As such, wrongfulness may change with the circumstance, as new factors come into play and other factors disappear.

In the rest of the natural world, we generally see that organisms kill more members of other species than members of their own. Actually, humans are no exception. So there must be something wired into us that prevents us from indiscriminately slaying one another. At least not as indiscriminately as we slaughter other species. Maybe it is to preserve the species and encourage it to multiply while reducing the competition from other species. It would be pretty stupid to have organisms that kill each other just as much as they kill other species. They won't survive as a species. I think this is why we have, since a long time ago, seen murder as being immoral. We felt that we shouldn't do it due to our nature, and we couldn't explain it, so we made up some rules to pretend we're playing by our rules, not the rules of nature. But, in the end, we have not escaped our roots.

Killing is the way of the world, too. Until we can extract all the nutrients we need from inanimate stuff like stone and air, we need to consume genetic material and organic matter.

1. Murderers exist because they do. There's no reason specifically for them to exist. The moon and Pluto and rivers and light exist, so murderers exist. All we can do is try to explain how they came about, but we're hard pressed to explain the purpose of their existence. They are humans like you and me. And I think we are all very capable of murder. We're the top predator of our planet.

2. Rage? Justice? Revenge? Amusement? Fear? Maybe a bit of everything.

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Its just not fair
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Its just not fair



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Tinamarie101 wrote:

Its just not fair





Its like this. when someone murders someone not just was it not fair to that being that they lost their life cause someone went a little crazy but its unfair to the families of that being killed. its self really cause people kill for one of two reasons, they love the way it feels to take a life & this case should be locked up for life.. OR for selfish reasons hatred, jealousy, ect. But now that this one being is gone, one satisfied themselves for about 5 minutes and 100s of people are lefts with emptiness in their hearts for a lifetime.

its selfish and isnt fair one bit..
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I don't think killing people who deserve to be killed is wrong
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