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Because it has to be white people that's evil or that's racist or offensive lmao. Who cares.
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I think it's weirder that she's still a Muslim when she's the daughter of Loki.


I didn't think about that, lol


I'm still trying to get around one of the characters in the first PJ book being the daughter of Athena...
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The only people who don't care that they're always villains are the Russians. All villains should be Russian.
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Ejanss wrote:


redokami wrote:


Buckerss wrote:

I think it's weirder that she's still a Muslim when she's the daughter of Loki.


I didn't think about that, lol


I'm still trying to get around one of the characters in the first PJ book being the daughter of Athena...

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Morbidhanson wrote:

The only people who don't care that they're always villains are the Russians. All villains should be Russian.


Or the British. The British seem to have accepted the fact that they play amazing villains.

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The only people who don't care that they're always villains are the Russians. All villains should be Russian.


I prefer nazis. I feel bad about Russian. But never about nazis.
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Ejanss wrote:


redokami wrote:


Buckerss wrote:

I think it's weirder that she's still a Muslim when she's the daughter of Loki.


I didn't think about that, lol


I'm still trying to get around one of the characters in the first PJ book being the daughter of Athena...


annabeth, also she is the cousin of the main character in this book
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redokami wrote:

im taking into consideration what is going on in the world right now , the book came out in October so its not like its old, and as I said it could be insulting to different people


the only way he could make the character so it doesnt offend anyone would be if he made them white, but then people would complain about all the characters being white. there is no winning this. don't try.
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Sam being from a Muslim family and being a daughter of Loki is intentional, for the exact opposite reasons you are assuming. She's made a daughter of Loki in order to explore the themes mistrust, paranoia and bigotry while having the in story cause be focused on here godly parentage, so it doesn't push too many hot buttons directly while still not beating around the bush about what the intent is.

This isn't the first time Riordan has done something like this, he often uses the Gods backstories, personalities, and situations in to make a parallel analogy with that of their offspring.

Loki also isn't much different than the other Gods in that he isn't completely devoid of redeeming qualities, and many people like him, its just that all the gods in the Riordan series' are like humans with their worst and best traits magnified to extremes. I mean I'm not sure if you got to any of the parts with the other Aesir and Vanir yet, but they all have very unpleasant qualities as well.
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AsahinaInu wrote:

Sam being from a Muslim family and being a daughter of Loki is intentional, for the exact opposite reasons you are assuming. She's made a daughter of Loki in order to explore the themes mistrust, paranoia and bigotry while having the in story cause be focused on here godly parentage, so it doesn't push too many hot buttons directly while still not beating around the bush about what the intent is.

This isn't the first time Riordan has done something like this, he often uses the Gods backstories, personalities, and situations in to make a parallel analogy with that of their offspring.

Loki also isn't much different than the other Gods in that he isn't completely devoid of redeeming qualities, and many people like him, its just that all the gods in the Riordan series' are like humans with their worst and best traits magnified to extremes. I mean I'm not sure if you got to any of the parts with the other Aesir and Vanir yet, but they all have very unpleasant qualities as well.

I think I understand where you are coming from, so its to have people understand those themes ?
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redokami wrote:

I think I understand where you are coming from, so its to have people understand those themes ?
Pretty much. I mean he did the same thing with other characters. Nico being the obvious example.
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AsahinaInu wrote:


redokami wrote:

I think I understand where you are coming from, so its to have people understand those themes ?
Pretty much. I mean he did the same thing with other characters. Nico being the obvious example.

oh right nico
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Eh, I don't know. I think you're looking too far into it. I don't think that was really meant to be offensive.
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Daughter of fiction and follows the beliefs of fiction in a fictional story.. wot chubble is dis?
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Yeahhhh kinda hard to be Muslim (or Christian/Jewish/etc. and believe in one god) when Loki and Zeus, et al, are hanging out down the street.

I was done with his stuff when I looked back and the beginning and saw that he had a thing where Percy was considered dyslexic because his brain was "made for" Ancient Greek... if that's not ridiculous, I don't know what is. Also how all of the female characters hate girly things, as if to be a "strong female character" you have to hate dresses.
He tries. He just always misses.

Honestly, the Egyptian series was pretty good, though. I'd recommend that in isolation from all of the rest of it.

. . . . still trying to wrap my head around pagans with their gods there, getting along with Islam and Christianity after monotheists destroyed their temples and artifacts and stuff for a few centuries. I'm not saying they should go to hard the other way (like Heroic Legend of Arslan, which I'm watching in the background right now) and make the monotheists straw villains, but... monotheists are historically sort of awful to everyone else (including each other).
Not that he could say any of that and market to kids of Christian/Jewish/Muslim parents. And not that the small minority of Christians and Muslims that still do that stuff would be anywhere near American fantasy novels anyway. But still.
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