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Posted 1/4/16
Math is killing me. Hate them damn so much
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Posted 1/4/16

KarenAraragi wrote:

I can't deal with math. Every time I try math. I fall asleep.
You want me to write a biography? I can do that but math? Fuck whoever invented that crap.


Please write a biography on the person who invented math.
Posted 1/4/16

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KarenAraragi wrote:

I can't deal with math. Every time I try math. I fall asleep.
You want me to write a biography? I can do that but math? Fuck whoever invented that crap.


Please write a biography on the person who invented math.


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China in general is eons ahead of us. Asia is in general. We are considered one of the lazier education systems in the world.
Let's see, I used to have a friend from HK, her vocab sounded like that a uni professor, put me to ultimate shame. There was a profound sense of embarrassment everytime I said anything. Everything she retorted with made me sound dumber and dumber.

They are farther ahead of us. In everything.
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I think our education system is too industrialized and needs to get fuckin' thrown in the shitter. Common core math is not going to fix the fundamental problem.



This. Common Core is trash as well. Much like most of our education... The only decent education in the US generally costs a lot.
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I like the basic idea of Common Core, that is improving educational standards. But they do it the most stupid and counterproductive way. Whoever designed this system needs to be beat with a spanner.
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Common core math takes everything that we have learned in the last several centuries and tosses it in the trash in favor of a teaching method that over complicates the problem unnecessarily. The "Teachers" who came up with this garbage are patting each other on the back on how clever they are. It clearly was devised by "Education" majors not Math majors. If you want to learn math you read the book, you do what they do on all the even problems and replicate it on the 50 unanswered odd problems at the end of the chapter. If you don't get it, repeat the problems. This has worked for generations and has turned out Engineers who put men on the Moon and built the Brooklyn Bridge. Suddenly kids cannot learn this way any longer. Why not?
Not learning is more a Home problem or a societal problem, not a Math problem.
Everyone wants the trappings of success without the work that accompanies it.
I'm a generation past most of you. I learned the old way, no calculators allowed in tests. All the number crunching was done in your head or on scratch paper.
We used slide rules, do you even know what that is?
Its essentially a mechanical calculator that takes some skill to use.
If you want to achieve what has made this country great in past generations (yes this country was great but is now failing rapidly) work the math the old way and do it like a good trained monkey for the "Edumacators" who teach that common core horseshit in the classroom..If you make it to college they wont give a crap about common core. They will teach closer to the old way. sink or swim, the way the real world works.
Reality doesn't care if you grasp the concepts 3 different way. Reality asks you if you can put the bullet in the guys head a half mile away with a crosswind. Can you calculate the ballistic coefficient, calculate and adjust for incline, wind and (with electronic help) account for the earths rotation? if you cant you die.
Sadly this might be the math you need to know judging by how world events are shaping up. No, talking nicely to these people will only get your heads removed with a butter knife. Learn your math.
I tell you this because I have studied History. History does tend to repeat itself because human nature does not change. The human race is greedy selfish and violent. One group always seeks to subjugate others.It used to be the Fascists (it still is btw though you don't recognize it) but now it is a theocracy seeking world domination. Good luck.
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Posted 1/4/16
That common core stuff looks incredibly pointless and even more mind numbingly frustrating than university Calc 4.
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Common core math has to be one of the most useless, convoluted methods of teaching I have ever seen. If I were a math student now, I guarantee you that I would have failed every test given to me. Hell, I can't even begin to imagine how frustrating today's algebra must be. Ironically, it was one of my best subjects - and I hate math.

Just looking at it makes my head hurt.
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Posted 1/4/16
Our schools need to teach at least a little discipline, first of all.

The US prides itself on its individualism and creativity, but then they start cutting funding to schools, and the music, art, drama, and creative classes get cut. The only kids that need to be babied are the special needs kids, for obvs reasons.

Teach more APPLIED courses. Applied math, science, basic first aid, how to deal with bad situations like an actual human, not just "CALL AN ADULT, STRANGER DANGER", self defense, basic computer courses, you know.. things you can use more often than not? Of course still have the higher level classes, etc..

Also, the Career Councillors need to know how to give better advice, like how high school grades literally only matter in 2 or 3 situations after you graduate.
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Posted 1/5/16 , edited 1/5/16
I'd like to note that I'm neither for nor against common core itself at this point. I'm thinking about it as I go along, examining what people are saying and checking into it as I go. I'm neither a cheerleader nor an opponent at this point.


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Common core math takes everything that we have learned in the last several centuries and tosses it in the trash in favor of a teaching method that over complicates the problem unnecessarily.


I have already demonstrated that it doesn't always make problems more complex with an example derived from a homework problem.


The "Teachers" who came up with this garbage are patting each other on the back on how clever they are. It clearly was devised by "Education" majors not Math majors.


Those education majors are, if they want to be math teachers, required to take a lot of the same courses math majors are and end up taking enough mathematics course credits to make at least a math minor pretty sensible. Let's have a look at what the process of becoming a mathematics teacher looks like by using New Jersey as an example case.




If you want to learn math you read the book, you do what they do on all the even problems and replicate it on the 50 unanswered odd problems at the end of the chapter. If you don't get it, repeat the problems.


This would be an indictment of common core mathematics if it eliminated homework and/or discouraged practicing skills. Is that the case? I don't think it is.


This has worked for generations and has turned out Engineers who put men on the Moon and built the Brooklyn Bridge. Suddenly kids cannot learn this way any longer. Why not?
Not learning is more a Home problem or a societal problem, not a Math problem.


They should be able to learn both approaches, and they should be allowed to apply whichever works best for them and the problem they're examining in most cases. It's like being able to solve a system of equations using substitution or Gauss-Jordan elimination. Both work for the purpose, and if someone is more comfortable with one than the other there is generally no reason they shouldn't be allowed to use it. The only exception I would make is requiring that a particular method be used while it is being taught.


Everyone wants the trappings of success without the work that accompanies it.


There's still work entailed in the common core method for solving problems.


I'm a generation past most of you. I learned the old way, no calculators allowed in tests. All the number crunching was done in your head or on scratch paper.


People are still doing this.


We used slide rules, do you even know what that is?
Its essentially a mechanical calculator that takes some skill to use.


The slide rule was also eventually phased out because it wasn't as convenient as equally effective alternatives.


If you want to achieve what has made this country great in past generations (yes this country was great but is now failing rapidly) work the math the old way and do it like a good trained monkey for the "Edumacators" who teach that common core horseshit in the classroom..If you make it to college they wont give a crap about common core. They will teach closer to the old way. sink or swim, the way the real world works.
Reality doesn't care if you grasp the concepts 3 different way. Reality asks you if you can put the bullet in the guys head a half mile away with a crosswind. Can you calculate the ballistic coefficient, calculate and adjust for incline, wind and (with electronic help) account for the earths rotation? if you cant you die.
Sadly this might be the math you need to know judging by how world events are shaping up. No, talking nicely to these people will only get your heads removed with a butter knife. Learn your math.
I tell you this because I have studied History. History does tend to repeat itself because human nature does not change. The human race is greedy selfish and violent. One group always seeks to subjugate others.It used to be the Fascists (it still is btw though you don't recognize it) but now it is a theocracy seeking world domination. Good luck.


Are you saying the United States is both a Fascist state and a theocracy?
Posted 1/5/16
However you get there. So less practicality, I don't really understand it's need when both methods work.

I think this, someone once said the key to learning a new language is finding the method that works for you. I suppose with common core math though it comes down to the quality of the teachers in teaching this to ppl that never used it before and ultimately their students being able/willing to adapt to the changes.

Tbh I wish the students would geta choice with which they are taught and can use.
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Posted 1/5/16
I honestly dont care
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Wow, never knew what common core math was, turned out I've been doing this my entire life. Everyone thought I was weird because I did math differently and couldn't explain it to them. I never understood how they taught math in primary school so just developed my own way. I can't say the method is bad, I was top 3 in the highest math in my grade for pretty much my entire school life. And it's extremely fast, never struggled with not finishing test or exams. At least I know I'm not weird now haha.
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Posted 1/5/16

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China in general is eons ahead of us. Asia is in general. We are considered one of the lazier education systems in the world.
Let's see, I used to have a friend from HK, her vocab sounded like that a uni professor, put me to ultimate shame. There was a profound sense of embarrassment everytime I said anything. Everything she retorted with made me sound dumber and dumber.

They are farther ahead of us. In everything.


Mind you, some Asian education systems are struggling with dropout rates. Take for example the Japanese education system (which is based along similar lines as the South Korean, Chinese and Singaporean ones), it has an inbuilt pass or fail mentality with a rigorous ongoing academic selection. In particular the importance of memorizing facts for entrance exams often enables unhealthy "cram school" type education atmosphere at primary and secondary school ages, when social stratification comes into play.

To this end, I would argue that it is a bad idea to claim that education systems are ideal as they exclude a significant portion of young people from social and economic advancement. Say what you want about the UK and US education systems, they do not put so much academic pressure on children or have wider scale problems of academic dropout.

Sources and further interesting reading:

Rohlen, Thomas P. "Building Character" (Teaching and Learning in Japan.)
Henry S. Rowen. "Learning: The Mobilization of Knowledge in the Japanese Political Economy".
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