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Posted 1/4/16
And you guys thought I was bigoted toward other opinions.
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Because I'm right. No other anime since Bebop, has given anime a much more recognized medium to non-anime fans since (with the exception of Pokemon, but I know a lot of people that watched that and never got into anime). It was a worldwide success, for both the manga and anime. The music is also amazing and has some of the best artists and talented instrumentalists. The only critism someone can make of the show is if they don't like a certain character or the cliff hangers but that is more personal opinion. What I've said isn't opinion, it's just fact.

Look how popular SAO is, but to most people who don't watch anime they've never heard of it, because the show does have it's faults. Attack on Titan on the other hand is amazing through and through, and that's from a lot of hard work. So when someone says the show 'is mediocre' or some other shit, they're wrong.


My god, you're either delusional or lack the understanding about what makes an opinion an opinion and a fact a fact.

AoT is great.... but that's an opinion. Mine and yours, and many others. Anyone can hold the opposite opinion, though, and have legitimate reasons to do so.

Personally, while I love AoT, I simply don't see it as quite as groundbreaking as you seem to think it is.

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Probably a troll but whatever.

I don't really hate AoT, I'm more indifferent toward it. I liked it near the beginning (The first episode is pretty good), but after a few episodes I started to notice that the pacing in the series is really bad.

My biggest problem with AoT is that it alternates between way too fast and way too slow. Certain arcs of the series go on for way too long while others pass by really quickly. I remember just wanting to get things over with because the show was stuck on the same thing for so long that it ended up becoming boring.

I'm not saying that AoT is horrible or that you're horrible for liking it, but calling people retarded because they don't like the same show as you is, for lack of a better term, retarded.
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Posted 1/4/16 , edited 1/4/16

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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:
Because I'm right. No other anime since Bebop, has given anime a much more recognized medium to non-anime fans since (with the exception of Pokemon, but I know a lot of people that watched that and never got into anime). It was a worldwide success, for both the manga and anime. The music is also amazing and has some of the best artists and talented instrumentalists. The only critism someone can make of the show is if they don't like a certain character or the cliff hangers but that is more personal opinion. What I've said isn't opinion, it's just fact.

Look how popular SAO is, but to most people who don't watch anime they've never heard of it, because the show does have it's faults. Attack on Titan on the other hand is amazing through and through, and that's from a lot of hard work. So when someone says the show 'is mediocre' or some other shit, they're wrong.


My god, you're either delusional or lack the understanding about what makes an opinion an opinion and a fact a fact.

AoT is great.... but that's an opinion. Mine and yours, and many others. Anyone can hold the opposite opinion, though, and have legitimate reasons to do so.

Personally, while I love AoT, I simply don't see it as quite as groundbreaking as you seem to think it is.



No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607

Example above, AoT 2nd best selling manga from 2013 to 2014. With One Piece only outselling them by a few more. But considering One Piece has been out a lot longer and has hundreds of episodes, Attack on Titan is already up there with only 1 season.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. People who hate on stuff just because others do. Which is why I hate both sides of the SAO fanbase - the haters and the fanboys. I wish they could just say 'i like this' or 'i dont like this' but no, apparently it has to be war.
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Posted 1/4/16

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No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.


There's a difference between being successful and being good. Fifty Shades of Grey made over 300 million dollars, but that doesn't make it a good movie.

There's nothing wrong with disliking something that's popular or successful. The problem arises when people start disliking something because it's popular or successful.
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No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607

Example above, AoT 2nd best selling manga from 2013 to 2014. With One Piece only outselling them by a few more. But considering One Piece has been out a lot longer and has hundreds of episodes, Attack on Titan is already up there with only 1 season.


Jesus. He never denied any of that, he simply stated that he didn't like AoT, and that there are legitimate reasons not to like it. Which, I agree with, despite liking AoT.

Seriously, you're going cray-cray, over this.
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The OP is correct only I would re-phrase it by saying its cool to watch maybe 1 to 2 episodes then go on the anime forum and preach about dropping the show. People love to drop a show god forbid the story is a little slow in development its about the instant gratification era of todays modern day anime viewer. I question why people even belong to CR sometimes
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There's a difference between being successful and being good. Fifty Shades of Grey made over 300 million dollars, but that doesn't make it a good movie.

There's nothing wrong with disliking something that's popular or successful. The problem arises when people start disliking something because it's popular or successful.


Exactly. Do you have any idea what most well educated writers think about Fifty Shades of Grey? It isn't good. Yet, it still became immensely popular.
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Posted 1/4/16 , edited 1/4/16

Kanudelgruber wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.


There's a difference between being successful and being good. Fifty Shades of Grey made over 300 million dollars, but that doesn't make it a good movie.

There's nothing wrong with disliking something that's popular or successful. The problem arises when people start disliking something because it's popular or successful.


Except that is for a very specific type of people, and no its not the same as anime because as I mentioned, loads of people have seen Attack on Titan that isn't even into anime. Loads haven't watched Fifty Shades of Shite outside of that area for example. It's popular for different reasons. Attack on Titan is popular through hard work. The former is popular among angsty white girls which is why it's bad and most people agree it's bad. You don't have this same sort of disagreement with Attack on Titan.


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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607

Example above, AoT 2nd best selling manga from 2013 to 2014. With One Piece only outselling them by a few more. But considering One Piece has been out a lot longer and has hundreds of episodes, Attack on Titan is already up there with only 1 season.


Jesus. He never denied any of that, he simply stated that he didn't like AoT, and that there are legitimate reasons not to like it. Which, I agree with, despite liking AoT.

Seriously, you're going cray-cray, over this.


Then maybe people should say I don't like this show (reason) instead of the show isn't good, they need to express it's their opinion rather than outright saying the show is bad, especially to something like AoT.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607

Example above, AoT 2nd best selling manga from 2013 to 2014. With One Piece only outselling them by a few more. But considering One Piece has been out a lot longer and has hundreds of episodes, Attack on Titan is already up there with only 1 season.


Jesus. He never denied any of that, he simply stated that he didn't like AoT, and that there are legitimate reasons not to like it. Which, I agree with, despite liking AoT.

Seriously, you're going cray-cray, over this.


Then maybe people should say I don't like this show (reason) instead of the show isn't good, they need to express it's their opinion rather than outright saying the show is bad, especially to something like AoT.

Why does he need to validate himself to you? I mean, he could, and you could say you need to explain his opinion in order for you to take him seriously, but he isn't obligated to explain his opinion, just like how his opinion isn't entitled to being unchallenged.
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Why does he need to validate himself to you? I mean, he could, and you could say you need to explain his opinion in order for you to take him seriously, but he isn't obligated.


Because they will be seen as another random hater and they're not special, saying the show is bad is wrong considering in reality, it's achieved the complete opposite.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


No it's not opinion. Even if you or me didn't like it at all, that don't change the fact of how popular and the records AoT has gotten. Opinions don't change that. It's already achieved and it will keep on achieving until it's sitting right next to Evangilion as one of the best selling of all time. Whether we like it or not don't change that fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607

Example above, AoT 2nd best selling manga from 2013 to 2014. With One Piece only outselling them by a few more. But considering One Piece has been out a lot longer and has hundreds of episodes, Attack on Titan is already up there with only 1 season.


Jesus. He never denied any of that, he simply stated that he didn't like AoT, and that there are legitimate reasons not to like it. Which, I agree with, despite liking AoT.

Seriously, you're going cray-cray, over this.


Then maybe people should say I don't like this show (reason) instead of the show isn't good, they need to express it's their opinion rather than outright saying the show is bad, especially to something like AoT.

Why does he need to validate himself to you? I mean, he could, and you could say you need to explain his opinion in order for you to take him seriously, but he isn't obligated to explain his opinion, just like how his opinion isn't entitled to being unchallenged.




Also AOT does have problems or faults with it that someone might not like, every anime and program ever made will have.
Posted 1/4/16

DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Why does he need to validate himself to you? I mean, he could, and you could say you need to explain his opinion in order for you to take him seriously, but he isn't obligated.


Because they will be seen as another random hater and they're not special, saying the show is bad is wrong considering in reality, it's achieved the complete opposite.


Just because you quoted him does not mean he's obligated to reply. An invitation to a challenge can merely be turned down, and there's nothing wrong with that. He can hate the show for any reasons he wants and you know what? As long as he actually feel those feelings, even a primordial feeling of disgust to undiluted love, they're all valid. Because it is his opinion. You're right. Opinion doesn't change fact, and factually supported opinions are the best, but we're not talking race or religion here. We're talking something as mundane and non life changing as what we find entertaining.
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Except that is for a very specific type of people, and no its not the same as anime because as I mentioned, loads of people have seen Attack on Titan that isn't even into anime. Loads haven't watched Fifty Shades of Shite outside of that area for example. It's popular for different reasons. Attack on Titan is popular through hard work. The former is popular among angsty white girls which is why it's bad and most people agree it's bad. You don't have this same sort of disagreement with Attack on Titan.

Again, there's a difference between being popular and being good. The reason that non-anime fans know about Attack on Titan is because of how popular it is among anime fans, but the anime that are most recognizable to the general public aren't necessarily the best ones, they're just the ones that gained the largest fanbases.

Why do you think that so many people brush off anime without giving it a chance? It's because their opinion is based only on the anime that they know about. There might be some other anime that they would love if they saw them, but they don't know about them because they're not as omnipresent as other shows like AoT.

No series is free of faults. No matter how good a series is, not everybody is going to like it, and some people will probably hate it. AoT is not exempt from criticism simply because it's popular.
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