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Have I upset you in any way or form?


I don't mind if you navel-gaze with Socratic "What is truth?" posts every five minutes--well, actually I DO, the novelty starts to wear thin after a while--but would it be too much trouble to ask you to start out with your own opinions on the question-of-the-minute before asking ours for your amusement, literally? You know, just to create the illusion of two-way conversation?
Or would that somehow interfere with your simply cutting and pasting the EXACT SAME template post, and simply changing the header as needed?

It's one thing to treat the entire group as your own personal marionettes on strings, but using a form-letter post to do it is just freakin' rubbing it in our faces.
At least the Publishers Clearinghouse makes me want to think I May Have Already Won $100,000 when I get their computer-written junk mail.
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Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

Have I upset you in any way or form?


I think it's that you're so formulaic when you pose questions for the forums, and that you never offer your own opinion about the topic.

Also, to be honest your standard way of asking doesn't always fit the question. Some things just don't lend themselves to "great detail" and in any case there's a limited amount of detail people are going to offer regardless of whether or not you request it.

So, when you ask a lot of questions, ask people to provide details, and don't share much of your own thoughts, it can look like you're doing so because you're bored and using us for your personal entertainment. -- Which isn't all bad. We all still get benefit and entertainment from reading the answers, but sometimes I know I wonder what you think, and also why you wonder about the things you ask. Like, did you read something, or have a conversation, or... well you never say personally why you care.

ETA: Looks like Ejanss was faster than me in reply, but that we're thinking similarly about it.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.


The general consensus is they do not have a choice in the LGBT community. I for one, always knew I was straight.
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Sorry. I just don't really have much to bring to the table. I don't know what to say or I already said enough. I already made a thread explaining a bit on why.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.


The general consensus is they do not have a choice in the LGBT community.


Correct, they would literally be thrown out if they dissented.
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You're right. I'm sorry for not expressing my own opinions on the topics. It might be a self esteem issue.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.

Personally I think this is especially true for women.

But I fear my opinion is based on stereotype, in that "It's okay if women express themselves openly," plus just because women get "intimate" with other women doesn't automatically conclude that they're lesbian or bisexual.
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WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.


The general consensus is they do not have a choice in the LGBT community.


Correct, they would literally be thrown out if they dissented.


Well, there's a factual basis, but generally the anti LGBT movement works in two ways. They assume it's a choice, and they assume its the wrong choice. But generally, most people do not really choose.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.

Personally I think this is especially true for women.

But I fear my opinion is based on stereotype, in that "It's okay if women express themselves openly," plus just because women get "intimate" with other women doesn't automatically conclude that they're lesbian or bisexual.


I assume you're correct. The studies that concluded this are usually centered around late age women.
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Gross1985 wrote: It seems more likely that outside factors play the biggest role. If a child gets molested, his/her sexual orientation will be messed up, and the kid may commit molestation later on in life....but, that's neither here nor there.

All I can do is speak from personal experience. Even when I was a kid, I was always attracted to women. I always wanted to glomp onto pretty women when I was a kid.
from what I see alot is that the more happy and "stupid" are gay, and not that they are dumb but there will be alot of stupid things out of said "love", since not all do it because of love and rather out of fun.

even though I love women a bit much here and there but have problems irl with it -__- still 2D going great.. only problem takes them a while to the finish line

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I feel like for some it's determined later during childhood or at the onset of adolescence, that it depends on the person. Everyone develops sexuality differently, I'd say. I would still definitely stand by the fact that it's not choice, but it develops depending on the person. That doesn't make it deficiency, that just makes it different.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.


The general consensus is they do not have a choice in the LGBT community.


Correct, they would literally be thrown out if they dissented.


Well, there's a factual basis, but generally the anti LGBT movement works in two ways. They assume it's a choice, and they assume its the wrong choice.


I've read over hundreds of reports from the APA, Goldstien, etc. Not one of them gives real convincing evidence. Choice means something can change, there is evidence of sexual orientation changing, even within the LGBT community, they just don't want to admit it.

It would be easy to argue that having a homosexual lifestyle is bad, but it's not ALWAYS bad. Works pretty well if you don't want kids.
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WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


WeeabooWarrior wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.


Even in the LGBT community, they can't decide for themselves if it's a choice or not.

I would argue that sexual orientation is a choice.


The general consensus is they do not have a choice in the LGBT community.


Correct, they would literally be thrown out if they dissented.


Well, there's a factual basis, but generally the anti LGBT movement works in two ways. They assume it's a choice, and they assume its the wrong choice.


I've read over hundreds of reports from the APA, Goldstien, etc. Not one of them gives real convincing evidence. Choice means something can change, there is evidence of sexual orientation changing, even within the LGBT community, they just don't want to admit it.

It would be easy to argue that having a homosexual lifestyle is bad, but it's not ALWAYS bad. Works pretty well if you don't want kids.

Choice would imply you have a degree of control of it, which may be true, but generally our desires control us. Now, perhaps in the future there may exist treatment to change one's brain chemicals and all that to radically alter sexuality. You can change brain chemicals, you can change your environment at later stages of your life, but to suggest you can change sexuality like you change clothes is downright irresponsible. Especially given our rudimentary understanding of how our chemicals affect us. Just because a blow to our head could give us amnesia does not mean we can merely purge memories nor have control over which memories to purge, and sexuality is expected to be like that. Now there are quite a number of suggestions saying that environmental factors can be attributes to sexuality, but it differs on a case by case basis, with no real consistency for most, whether they include a dislike of women to being in a gay household.
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No, genetics do not determine attraction. One is not born homosexual or hetrosexual. It is a complex set of factors that go into what a person is attracted to, from personal experience, emotions, and contemplation.


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But as far as we know and can prove humanity is the only species in the universe who cognitive functions far outstrip the potential of any of our fellow species at the moment. Maybe it's because we are such a complex bundle of thoughts,wants,and desires we can develop in atypical ways.



I would say that what makes humans different from other animals is our level of complexity.
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