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Post Reply Is sexual orientation determined at birth?
Posted 1/4/16
I cannot tell for sure, because I do not consider "genes, derp" a solid answer, ever, especially knowing what I know within the field of psychology. I believe that ones sexuality is a part of ones personality, meaning that ones sexuality is developed, but that by being developmental it does not qualify it as a disorder. For something to qualify as a disorder it has to nearly always be associated with considerable personal distress and social disruption, which it isn't. It may, in some cases, cause considerable personal distress, but due to social stigma. Homosexuality may be why a person would have e.g. an avoidant personality, which causes social disruption, albeit indirectly, but all of which is due to social stigma. So it pretty much always boils down to stigma, not an underlying disorder. That is not how e.g. a personality disorder works. A personality disorder causes considerable personal distress and direct or indirect social disruption regardless of stigma. And, sexuality is not something that can be cured, for the same reason my personality disorder cannot be cured; my disorder cannot be cured because it is my personality; I cannot cure my personality for the same reason you cannot cure yours. There is dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), like Pray-The-Gay-Away Clinics, but that is something that only exist in America, where quackery is more than welcomed. I believe that sexuality, just like ones personality, is defined between the age of 0 and 20, in which age 6 to 12 is the critical period. In other words, ones sexual orientation has already been defined by the time one has reached middle school, but ones sexuality keeps on advancing from thereon. I highly doubt that exploring ones sexuality between the age of 6-12, the critical period, results in homosexuality or bisexuality. I believe that what results in heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality is tied to emotional relationships, primarily ones relationship to ones guardians (not limited to parents). I also believe that there are far too many factors involved to map just how sexuality, or personality for that matter, develops, at least for now, and that we are better off saying that homosexuality and bisexuality is caused by "genes, derp" because developmental psychology is too advanced for an average intelligent person to wrap their puny little minds around.

Note: I have not once claimed fact. I have not said that it has to be true, but that I refute the claim that it is due to "genes, derp". Not only because "genes, derp" does not answer anything, but because "genes, derp" pretty much means that homosexuality and bisexuality is a brain disorder, and mental retardation, which I don't view it as, at all.
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I think it's partially. It's partly determined by by how horomones work inside our bodies, and is also by how we grow up.
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Gross1985 wrote:Personally I think this is especially true for women.

But I fear my opinion is based on stereotype, in that "It's okay if women express themselves openly," plus just because women get "intimate" with other women doesn't automatically conclude that they're lesbian or bisexual.


Women are very pretty and boobs are, well, boobs. It's to no surprise really. I can understand why women are more fluid.

I'm straight but I have a habit of attracting women for some reason....got a drunk text from one just last week or so even. As if she hadn't been obvious prior to that. Though in her specific case I figure it more of a idolization thing. Women seem to be inclined towards being bisexual quicker than men, again back to that 'pretty' thing though.

Anyway, on topic. Yes and no. I think for some people it's more facilitated or pronounced at birth, but for others it can be more of a perversion. It depends. I'll say it's a combination.




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Choice would imply you have a degree of control of it, which may be true, but generally our desires control us.



Gonna stop yah there. No. That's called an animal.
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I think it's mostly nature, but nurture isn't ruled out completely.
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Gross1985 wrote:Personally I think this is especially true for women.

But I fear my opinion is based on stereotype, in that "It's okay if women express themselves openly," plus just because women get "intimate" with other women doesn't automatically conclude that they're lesbian or bisexual.


Women are very pretty and boobs are, well, boobs. It's to no surprise really. I can understand why women are more fluid.

I'm straight but I have a habit of attracting women for some reason....got a drunk text from one just last week or so even. As if she hadn't been obvious prior to that. Though in her specific case I figure it more of a idolization thing. Women seem to be inclined towards being bisexual quicker than men, again back to that 'pretty' thing though.

Anyway, on topic. Yes and no. I think for some people it's more facilitated or pronounced at birth, but for others it can be more of a perversion. It depends. I'll say it's a combination.




PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Choice would imply you have a degree of control of it, which may be true, but generally our desires control us.



Gonna stop yah there. No. That's called an animal.


I didn't mean it literally. I believe it's called a reversal.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I didn't mean it literally. I believe it's called a reversal.


Oh hehe, then yah lost me.



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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I didn't mean it literally. I believe it's called a reversal.


Oh hehe, then yah lost me.





TL:DR Sexuality can change, but it can't be changed.
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This is so tricky and confusing to me. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Sexual Orientation is much more fluid than you think.




Giggity.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

TL:DR Sexuality can change, but it can't be changed.


Eh, I'm not sure about that. I get what you're trying to go for, you're thinking like gay-to-straight camps where they attempt to forcefully push one way or another. Which I agree is wholly wrong.

I think my answer falls onto 'yes and no' even still. Individuals are much too complex.

Take for example forcefully shoving math down a child's throat despite their frustrations or struggles with the subject. Some do eventually 'click' with it. Others...well, it doesn't particularly work. Sometimes it even works a different way.

Goes back to that it really depends deal.

It's hard when we get onto subjects delving into the why's and how's of human behavior. Might as well generate an infinite sized randomly generated array...



We can get into trends, but honestly it's hard to determine even that in such circumstance.
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“No, I mean like what makes the Asians decide who they’re gonna make gay?”

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Posted 1/4/16 , edited 1/4/16
I don't know.
It's not something that is clear as day like sex determination where it's either xx or xy. It could be genetics or it could be hormones released in the womb during pregnancy.

It's not something you can consciously choose though.
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40YearOldVirgin wrote:

I don't know.
It's not something that is clear as day like sex determination where it's either xx or xy. It could be genetics or it could be hormones released in the womb during pregnancy.

It's not something you can consciously choose though.


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Probably. I don't think anyone knows for sure. I'm bi and when I was younger I used to see guys and girls equally. But I didn't really fancy anyone until I was a teenager, so who knows?
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This thread is very clickbait-y because it is contriversial. So people who are neutral (such as myself and i'm assuming the OP-er) Sit back and watch the flames start
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