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Passports and driving licences should not state if the holder is male or female because it causes problems for transgender people, a Conservative MP has said.

Maria Miller, who chairs the women and equalities committee, said the government should “strip back” talking about gender unless it was necessary.

A person’s gender was not relevant on official documents and created an unconscious bias in job and university applications, she said.

Miller’s comments came during an inquiry by the committee into transgender equality, which heard evidence from NHS England that there were around 4,500 referrals to gender identity services each year, including increasing numbers of children.

In an interview with the Times, Miller said: “As a society and a government we should be looking at ways of trying to strip back talking about gender, and only do that when it’s absolutely necessary. We need to understand that gender stereotyping can be as damaging for men as it can be for women.

“For individuals who have decided to transition but haven’t necessarily got the right documentation, it can cause problems. Why do we need gender on our driving licence? Why do we have to have it on our passport if it doesn’t really add identification? It’s not relevant. Australia has decided to degender their passports.”

She said women now held a “seismically different” role in society.

“If we are going to help girls who are coming through our education system not to be hampered by gender stereotypes then we have to look at these things.

“There’s so much we can do to make the playing field level and in university applications as well. We’ve got to tackle the unconscious bias in the system.”

The committee was expected to publish a report on transgender discrimination next week.

Figures published last year showed that the number of children aged 10 or under referred to the NHS to help deal with transgender feelings had more than quadrupled in the last six years.

Many experienced gender dysphoria, a recognised medical condition in which someone feels uncomfortable because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity, according to NHS Choices.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/02/call-to-remove-gender-from-uk-passports-and-driving-licences



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Why is this not from the Onion? It's not 2015 anymore. Stahp it world.
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Seriously somebody tell me if this stupid or smart?
Posted 1/4/16

KarenAraragi wrote:


Seriously somebody tell me if this stupid or smart?


Yes, it's definitely stupid to make efforts to remove an existing problem in our society. Let's see how many jump onto the hate bandwagon just because gender dysphoria was mentioned lol.
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Stupid.
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Yes, it's definitely stupid to make efforts to remove an existing problem in our society. Let's see how many jump onto the hate bandwagon just because gender dysphoria was mentioned lol.


Don't cut yourself.



Women's rights were mentioned, it's using gender dysphoria as a shield. Makes more sense to simply allow transgenders to have an easier time changing their gender on the driver's license and not have to deal with "remove makeup" policies.
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“If we are going to help girls who are coming through our education system not to be hampered by gender stereotypes then we have to look at these things.

“There’s so much we can do to make the playing field level and in university applications as well. We’ve got to tackle the unconscious bias in the system.”



Isn't it refreshing when liberal policy makers are honest about their anti-male agenda?
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I don't get it. We shouldn't advertise our physical sex on forms of identification because people might apply gender stereotypes to make premature judgments? Or is it because people with gender dysphoria may need to be able to protect their delicate psyches by living in denial of their physical sex?

I guess I could maybe see if the argument was about how people who are made to look like the opposite sex could potentially be ousted because their forms of identification revealed their physical sex. I didn't see that mentioned in the article.
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So how do police identify if an ID is stolen when you can switch between male/female at will? Why not do away with ID's and just let the police guess if you are a criminal or not.
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So how do police identify if an ID is stolen when you can switch between male/female at will? Why not do away with ID's and just let the police guess if you are a criminal or not.


Exactly. People have no idea how stupid this can get. There are places for being who you "feel like inside" and there are places where your physical make-up is more important. Your identification is the latter.

Is that unfair? Fuck, I don't know.... but it sure as hell is reality. That, I can tell you.
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Exactly. People have no idea how stupid this can get. There are places for being who you "feel like inside" and there are places where your physical make-up is more important. Your identification is the latter.

Is that unfair? Fuck, I don't know.... but it sure as hell is reality. That, I can tell you.


It should be an easier process for transgenders though. Actual application for gender change usually requires some sort of physician form. Nothing wrong with that.

It's not like 'yo I wanna be a boy today! Changeplz!!!!'.

Although I'd argue the sloth workers at secretary of state are torture enough 'round here.





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I don't get the hate. One's gender can still be guessed by one's name and photo, incorrectly or correctly.

It's just not a big deal to me
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You had your chance Brits.
You had your chance...
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