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It's real and very strong in my Mexican culture.
Some people would rather have a dead son than a gay one
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descloud wrote:

Yes and it's justified for many reasons.


Name one reason why homosexuality is bad other than, "My holy book told me."


Over 90% of AIDS cases are homosexual - it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Holybookphobia?
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


descloud wrote:

Yes and it's justified for many reasons.


Name one reason why homosexuality is bad other than, "My holy book told me."


Over 90% of AIDS cases are homosexual - it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Holybookphobia?


Probably not close to a majority of gay men. Having sex with someone, even anal and unprotected, does not guarantee spreading the disease.
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descloud wrote:

Yes and it's justified for many reasons.


"Reasons" that boil down to...an opinion that shan't ever be challenged. Heh.

This thread is amusing to read.

Ejanss declamatory cynicism is often uniquely ornate in style as well. Often gets me to raise an eyebrow--and I can't help the amused hum that escapes me.

BlueOni basically covered what I could have said.




dougeprofile wrote:

Over 90% of AIDS cases are homosexual - it is a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Holybookphobia?


Irresponsible homosexual sex causes AIDS. Irresponsible heterosexual sex causes abortions and bad childhoods....point?
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Yes.
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I think some people are super homophobic because they're actually homosexual but dont' want to face "their inner selves."

You know like how really horny girls try to act all uptight and nun-like just to push those personality traits away?

Same thing.
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:


descloud wrote:

Yes and it's justified for many reasons.


Name one reason why homosexuality is bad other than, "My holy book told me."


Well, if they stick to same-sex mates, homosexuals, theoretically can't produce offspring, unless you HOPE for parthenogenesis. But then again, I think human parthenogenesis is only applicable to females.

So in terms of the survival of the human species or your gene pool, yeah homosexuality would be bad.
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Homophobia is a poorly constructed word. As a word taken at its literal roots, it should mean fear of that which is similar to you. In that regard, I'm sure that fear exists as pretty much any fear you can think of exists for someone

In the colloquial context where homophobia means fear or irrational hatred of homosexual persons, yes that exists too.
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Well, a part of the classical masculinity stereotype is not to be homosexual which society considers feminine or be associated with anything feminine and thus be called gay. Notions that hetero manly men get uncomfortable thus don't approve of homosexual relations is ancient groundwork for the bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity‎
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Yes and it's stupid. It's irrational to judge people based on their sexuality. There are other traits that are much more important.
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How come homophobia isn't viewed as some actual phobia but rather just another opinion? I'm confused.


Because generally people labled as such don't have an actual phobia. They don't fear homosexuals they hate them or at least they are labled as hating them.

What I don't like is how it feels everyone that doesn't bend over backwards for thomosexuals and transvestites these days seems to be labled a homophobe. Not because they are mistreating or bamouthing them but instead because they aren't providing them with every consideration and convenience possible.

Take this one example where a transsexual wants to change in the women's locker room at school. Keep in mind this individual was nor physically in between genders but just a "I'm a girl on the inside" transexual (as for a hormonal imbalance I'm not sure). Now obvious some of the girls and the parents of those girls were upset with this idea as no matter what gender this person claims to be they still have guy parts inside there pants which you can't exactly hide in a changing room.

The school did try to compromise and offer to prepare special changing rooms so trans gendered wouldn't have to change with guys. But that wasn't good enough as this person demanded to be treated like "one of the girls" even though this person was already allowed into other female only activities. To me this is just absurd and ignoring the rights of all the other students for the sake of a single individual completely getting their way. But if you opposed them you were treated like you were being homophobic.


Another example is the whole "bosses will be sued for not calling transsexuals by their decided gender" thing. But this completely ignored the fact some people , like me, view gender was 100% biological and so don't really acknoledge people who just claim they are "something else on the inside". I wont get into the details now but the point is I should be able to have my own beliefs on this matter but now according to people who throw around the term homophobic. Apparently not agreeing with them means I'm a homophobic bigot who should be shot for spreading hatred and all that crap.

There are people who are very hateful and/or intolerant towards homosexuals. But there are also people who just don't approve or agree with their life style for one reason or another but they all tend to be labeled the same and any opinions not pro-gay are treated like they don't exist. They don't even have to be Anti-gay just anything that doesn't cater to them is pushed to the side in a lot of cases I've seen.
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Metazoxan wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

How come homophobia isn't viewed as some actual phobia but rather just another opinion? I'm confused.


Because generally people labled as such don't have an actual phobia. They don't fear homosexuals they hate them or at least they are labled as hating them.

What I don't like is how it feels everyone that doesn't bend over backwards for thomosexuals and transvestites these days seems to be labled a homophobe. Not because they are mistreating or bamouthing them but instead because they aren't providing them with every consideration and convenience possible.

Take this one example where a transsexual wants to change in the women's locker room at school. Keep in mind this individual was nor physically in between genders but just a "I'm a girl on the inside" transexual (as for a hormonal imbalance I'm not sure). Now obvious some of the girls and the parents of those girls were upset with this idea as no matter what gender this person claims to be they still have guy parts inside there pants which you can't exactly hide in a changing room.

The school did try to compromise and offer to prepare special changing rooms so trans gendered wouldn't have to change with guys. But that wasn't good enough as this person demanded to be treated like "one of the girls" even though this person was already allowed into other female only activities. To me this is just absurd and ignoring the rights of all the other students for the sake of a single individual completely getting their way. But if you opposed them you were treated like you were being homophobic.


Another example is the whole "bosses will be sued for not calling transsexuals by their decided gender" thing. But this completely ignored the fact some people , like me, view gender was 100% biological and so don't really acknoledge people who just claim they are "something else on the inside". I wont get into the details now but the point is I should be able to have my own beliefs on this matter but now according to people who throw around the term homophobic. Apparently not agreeing with them means I'm a homophobic bigot who should be shot for spreading hatred and all that crap.

There are people who are very hateful and/or intolerant towards homosexuals. But there are also people who just don't approve or agree with their life style for one reason or another but they all tend to be labeled the same and any opinions not pro-gay are treated like they don't exist. They don't even have to be Anti-gay just anything that doesn't cater to them is pushed to the side in a lot of cases I've seen.


I agree with you to a certain extent.

If I wore a skirt put on makeup, and talked like an anime char, and demanded I was a girl and was allowed into the girl's bathroom (HAHA), I don't think I should be allowed to go in.

But, if I have a sex change, take hormones, and other whatever surgeries, then I'm effectively counteracting the effects of the expression of the Y gene.

If you're going through the effort of biologically becoming female as much as possible, then I think you should be allowed into the girl's bathroom, because you're pretty much almost female except for the Y chromosome. In other words, even if you have XY, all that stuff you're constantly doing is literally having a faux XX effect.

I mean, tbh, I'd be more uncomfortable about lesbians being allowed to use the girl's bathroom, than post-op homosexual males.
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Alright then.
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Phobia - a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding.


A Phobia literally is a fear... - using the semantics of "annoyance" is the wrong vocabulary. Anyone with a phobia has high anxiety towards something, causing fear and prejudice against that fear. The fear does not have to be in regards to life; it can be other just as irrational fears that extends, in the homophobia case, to "being turned gay" or "homosexual influence" - is most often what is feared when it comes to homophobia. Based on my experiences personally with the subject. Either way - it is possible to live in mortal dread and terror of something that caused you anxiety - that's the whooolllee reason the term exists...as a medical condition...I think i know what you are getting at though; a lot of people do misuse the homophobia label, and the label itself certainly has had some conversation in regards to if "homophobia" exists - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-hubbard/in-honor-of-the-internati_b_5339905.html or others that have linked several personality traits as a possible correlation http://www.livescience.com/52146-homophobia-personality-traits.html

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I have agreed with everything you've said lamb.
Thank god there are other people out there with common sense.

Just adding my 2 cents in, but I do think homophobia is real, however; too many people are shoved into that definition.

For instance, I've been called homophobic even though I'm all for gay marriage. It was just because I stayed away from sense8 because I don't want to see homosexual intimacy. I have nothing against homosexuals, but homosexual actions disgust me, and I do my best to stay away.
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