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Do People Who Like SAO Even Play MMOs?
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So I'll just make a comment from the peanut gallery, altho I've read thru the previous comments, I don't want to get dragged into an argument.

I've been playing MMO's since 1996 (even earlier if you consider RabbitJack's Casino a precursor to MMOs), and I'm not really into SAO. As already commented, I find Log Horizon more in line with what I expect from an MMO-themed anime. Or at least the current state of MMOs, if you were to make an anime based on Meridian 59 back in 96, I think it would look quite unrecognizable to most people today.

Posted 1/5/16

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PrinceJudar wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I could only find this.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/special-snowflake


I don't see how this conflicts with how I used it.


Edit: Dear God, I made a hate thread. Should I close it?


Think of special snowflake not in the way of 'extremity in uniqueness' of individuals, but rather individuals using their differences specifically to acquire attention, pity, validation and legitimacy.

It's not about being different, it's about using differences for those sorts of rather nefarious purposes. Sometimes those differences are even falsely created. Ex. Otherkin.

That's why you don't go up to handicapped person and complain about how much of a special snowflake he must be for sitting in his wheelchair.

Your gripe with Dual Wielding is that it is unique. Someone doesn't get the term 'special snowflake' for simply having it--even if they are the only one to have done so.

You could argue Kirito had been a 'special snowflake', for instance, early on in the series when he proclaimed:

I'm a beater #unlike you peasants.



And nah, yah shouldn't. It's not that bad.

Well, I was doing it more that it appeals to special snowflake by calling him a special snowflake, although I suppose it could be taken as insulting the fanbase.


Nah, fuck it. Until you disrespect somebody you are good. Thou the whole thing deviated from the original question if you ask me.
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Posted 1/5/16

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mythopoet wrote:

Of course. Tons of people who play MMOs love SAO. Having played MMOs for years myself, I loved SAO at least partly because I would love to go and experience Aincrad through the VR tech. It really looks like an MMO player's dream.

Personally, I never saw Kirito as a "special snowflake" character. What he gained from the game he also had to sacrifice a lot for. The whole second episode is about how alone Kirito is and how his elite skills ultimately cause him to lose the group of friends he made. Incidentally, in the MMO ArcheAge I was in a guild named the Moonlit Black Cats for a while, named after the guild Kirito joins in episode 2.

I think that people who think the story of SAO is shallow wish-fulfillment starring a Mary Sue character are only looking at the surface. Kirito is not a Mary Sue because he does suffer and twice comes within a millimeter of death. He learns and grows over the course of the story. He faces his flaws and his fears over and over again to move forward. I like Kirito because I honestly think he's a well constructed and developed character and I think people who say he's just a special snowflake are ignoring most of his development just so they can make a point.

But yes, people who play MMOs do like SAO. And there's no reason they shouldn't.


Then why is Kirito being friendly with Kayaba after their final duel? Why did Kirito lose only to have the excuse that Kayaba cheated, for no apparent reason, other than to be accused of Kirito of being the game master? When was Sachi ever relevant to the main storyline? I think sachi was a good addition, but to be so blatantly ignored in the final talk just shows what the author treated it as. An after thought, instead of a tale of heartbreak for Kirito, because as far as Kirito is concerned only Asuna matters. This is the SAME PERSON who blatantly tortures the man who nearly NTRed Asuna in front of him, for no necessary reason other than to get his rage out. So why didn't he lose it on Kayaba? He killed 3000 some players, including someone Kirito cared about, but Kirito merely just accepts the egg.

Sachi was hardly relevant to the storyline to the point they barely mention her later on. Other than that, life's pretty dandy with him, what with his "family", his status as the most powerful front liners, and various other cues.


I don't mean any harm, but I love debating. I hope I didn't offend you.


I agree that Sachi wasn't important to the storyline at any point, but if I wanted to explain it somehow, it would be that it showed a good side about kirito, how he helped some random guy by imprisoning the people who killed his wife.

I don't remeber hearing about the excuse that Kayaba cheated,or the accusation of Kirito being the game master.

As for Kirito being friendly with Kayaba, a few reaosn would be that he wanted to know his reason for creating the game, also at that point they both were supposed to be dead, so Kirito probably tought he was or would soon be. Another thing is that Kayaba was always a "nice" person, and Kirito fought him in a fair duel and lost. While the guy who touched Asuna, first of touched Asuna in front of Kirito, he really tried to make Kirito mad in the game at that moment and a few times in real life aswell.

And finally as for the people that died who Kirito cared about, he blamed himself for those deaths, not Kayaba all the others died because of Kayaba, but he didn't kill them. I could also argue that Kirito had learned to respect Kayaba a little, since he learned to really enjoy his time there.
Posted 1/5/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


mythopoet wrote:

Of course. Tons of people who play MMOs love SAO. Having played MMOs for years myself, I loved SAO at least partly because I would love to go and experience Aincrad through the VR tech. It really looks like an MMO player's dream.

Personally, I never saw Kirito as a "special snowflake" character. What he gained from the game he also had to sacrifice a lot for. The whole second episode is about how alone Kirito is and how his elite skills ultimately cause him to lose the group of friends he made. Incidentally, in the MMO ArcheAge I was in a guild named the Moonlit Black Cats for a while, named after the guild Kirito joins in episode 2.

I think that people who think the story of SAO is shallow wish-fulfillment starring a Mary Sue character are only looking at the surface. Kirito is not a Mary Sue because he does suffer and twice comes within a millimeter of death. He learns and grows over the course of the story. He faces his flaws and his fears over and over again to move forward. I like Kirito because I honestly think he's a well constructed and developed character and I think people who say he's just a special snowflake are ignoring most of his development just so they can make a point.

But yes, people who play MMOs do like SAO. And there's no reason they shouldn't.


Then why is Kirito being friendly with Kayaba after their final duel? Why did Kirito lose only to have the excuse that Kayaba cheated, for no apparent reason, other than to be accused of Kirito of being the game master? When was Sachi ever relevant to the main storyline? I think sachi was a good addition, but to be so blatantly ignored in the final talk just shows what the author treated it as. An after thought, instead of a tale of heartbreak for Kirito, because as far as Kirito is concerned only Asuna matters. This is the SAME PERSON who blatantly tortures the man who nearly NTRed Asuna in front of him, for no necessary reason other than to get his rage out. So why didn't he lose it on Kayaba? He killed 3000 some players, including someone Kirito cared about, but Kirito merely just accepts the egg.

Sachi was hardly relevant to the storyline to the point they barely mention her later on. Other than that, life's pretty dandy with him, what with his "family", his status as the most powerful front liners, and various other cues.


I don't mean any harm, but I love debating. I hope I didn't offend you.


I agree that Sachi wasn't important to the storyline at any point, but if I wanted to explain it somehow, it would be that it showed a good side about kirito, how he helped some random guy by imprisoning the people who killed his wife.

I don't remeber hearing about the excuse that Kayaba cheated,or the accusation of Kirito being the game master.

As for Kirito being friendly with Kayaba, a few reaosn would be that he wanted to know his reason for creating the game, also at that point they both were supposed to be dead, so Kirito probably tought he was or would soon be. Another thing is that Kayaba was always a "nice" person, and Kirito fought him in a fair duel and lost. While the guy who touched Asuna, first of touched Asuna in front of Kirito, he really tried to make Kirito mad in the game at that moment and a few times in real life aswell.

And finally as for the people that died who Kirito cared about, he blamed himself for those deaths, not Kayaba all the others died because of Kayaba, but he didn't kill them. I could also argue that Kirito had learned to respect Kayaba a little, since he learned to really enjoy his time there.


You misread me, Kirito accused Kayaba of cheating. Sorry if my wording a bit muddled. I'll get back it later.
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Posted 1/5/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Stoppablex wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


mythopoet wrote:

Of course. Tons of people who play MMOs love SAO. Having played MMOs for years myself, I loved SAO at least partly because I would love to go and experience Aincrad through the VR tech. It really looks like an MMO player's dream.

Personally, I never saw Kirito as a "special snowflake" character. What he gained from the game he also had to sacrifice a lot for. The whole second episode is about how alone Kirito is and how his elite skills ultimately cause him to lose the group of friends he made. Incidentally, in the MMO ArcheAge I was in a guild named the Moonlit Black Cats for a while, named after the guild Kirito joins in episode 2.

I think that people who think the story of SAO is shallow wish-fulfillment starring a Mary Sue character are only looking at the surface. Kirito is not a Mary Sue because he does suffer and twice comes within a millimeter of death. He learns and grows over the course of the story. He faces his flaws and his fears over and over again to move forward. I like Kirito because I honestly think he's a well constructed and developed character and I think people who say he's just a special snowflake are ignoring most of his development just so they can make a point.

But yes, people who play MMOs do like SAO. And there's no reason they shouldn't.


Then why is Kirito being friendly with Kayaba after their final duel? Why did Kirito lose only to have the excuse that Kayaba cheated, for no apparent reason, other than to be accused of Kirito of being the game master? When was Sachi ever relevant to the main storyline? I think sachi was a good addition, but to be so blatantly ignored in the final talk just shows what the author treated it as. An after thought, instead of a tale of heartbreak for Kirito, because as far as Kirito is concerned only Asuna matters. This is the SAME PERSON who blatantly tortures the man who nearly NTRed Asuna in front of him, for no necessary reason other than to get his rage out. So why didn't he lose it on Kayaba? He killed 3000 some players, including someone Kirito cared about, but Kirito merely just accepts the egg.

Sachi was hardly relevant to the storyline to the point they barely mention her later on. Other than that, life's pretty dandy with him, what with his "family", his status as the most powerful front liners, and various other cues.


I don't mean any harm, but I love debating. I hope I didn't offend you.


I agree that Sachi wasn't important to the storyline at any point, but if I wanted to explain it somehow, it would be that it showed a good side about kirito, how he helped some random guy by imprisoning the people who killed his wife.

I don't remeber hearing about the excuse that Kayaba cheated,or the accusation of Kirito being the game master.

As for Kirito being friendly with Kayaba, a few reaosn would be that he wanted to know his reason for creating the game, also at that point they both were supposed to be dead, so Kirito probably tought he was or would soon be. Another thing is that Kayaba was always a "nice" person, and Kirito fought him in a fair duel and lost. While the guy who touched Asuna, first of touched Asuna in front of Kirito, he really tried to make Kirito mad in the game at that moment and a few times in real life aswell.

And finally as for the people that died who Kirito cared about, he blamed himself for those deaths, not Kayaba all the others died because of Kayaba, but he didn't kill them. I could also argue that Kirito had learned to respect Kayaba a little, since he learned to really enjoy his time there.


You misread me, Kirito accused Kayaba of cheating. Sorry if my wording a bit muddled. I'll get back it later.


I understood, I just used the wrong wording myself ^^
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I like SAO and MMO's, I play MMO's. I prefer SAO over Log Horizon, even .Hack//sign. Yes I saw the entire thing, for all three, LH, .Hack and SAO. I like all of SAO, have all the light novels and manga, even figurines. TBH SAO is one of my favorite anime, I was actually playing an MMO when I first heard about SAO. Forgot which MMO. Seriously news travels really fast in MMO's hahaha. Let's see right now I'm not currently in one, the last one I played was Skyforge and before that Archeage, now I'm waiting for Black desert. I would go to Blade and Soul but my friends are going to Black Desert.
Also my favorite MMO is Dragon Ball Online, the Taiwan version. They were so nice to players.

but really MMO SAO would be kinda like



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I like it and play Warcraft.
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I played more than a dozen MMOs hardcore, from long before SAO was an anime.

I also watched who-knows-how-many anime before SAW was an anime.

I give my stamp of approval that SAO is in fact an anime using an MMO as its base, just as much as any other anime can be based on something else tangentially. There are many "nods" to gameyness mentioned. Rules are there, but with the power of protagonism, rules are broken.

It's a setting, not the focus. You are expecting physics and realism (in game terms) ... from an anime that made no such promises. It's kind of like how JoJo part three is set in the late 1980s, but a viewer having their enjoyment dampened because clothing, technology and speech doesn't match the setting (edit: this is just a made up example. I have no idea how faithful it was to the setting, aside from Walkmans and older cars).

Or wondering in pretty much any single bit of media ever that everybody speaks the same language.

It's just what you happen to be getting fixated on at the moment. Log Horizon happened to dwell more on the game aspects than SAO, but still a lot of it is unrealistic for gameplay purposes and rules are broken by protagonists.

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I played a few MMOs the major ones being Asheron's Call, World of Warcraft, Dungeons and Dragons online. SAO to me was a very loose MMO concept most MMOs as you know are MMORPGs to me SAO is NOT a mmorpg, A rpg have strategies involved. I feel like log horizon did a really good job of having that part, as for SAO I feel kirito's skill set doesn't really fit a MMORPG setting.... this is one reason why I liked GGO arc way better, because I felt the game genre matched kirito's skill set way better. I feel like kirito has more of a skill set of a FPS/action or fighting game player than a mmorpg player.... He is more of a tech skill guy than a strategic player. Also almost all MMORPG require you to be a guild leader to really be a true top player which requires being social which is not what kirito is like, yet some how he is friends with all of these girls lol. They should of just made him a pimp guild leader all girls guild minus him the guild leader lol.

As far as I am concerned, SAO is more of just an action show with minor rpg elements and log horizon has more major mmorpg elements in it. It does not make either better, just a different style. As far as my gamer self goes log horizon was better. Like if I had no interest in anime and was just a hardcore mmo player log horizon would be the better choice. SAO however has a lot better anime qualities though even things you don't think about like animation, background art ect.
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I do. I can't speak for everyone else, but I've been playing MMOs since way before SAO came out.
Been playing MapleStory since 2005, and have tried several others. That just didn't work, unfortunately. >_<;. I had tried La Tale, Asda Story (I don't even remember what it was about..), Ragnarok, Dream of Mirror Online, and Final Fantasy XII. For a few days, anyway.

Additionally, I like .hack (used to be a HUGE fan of it, but now it's just down to 'I like this, and will still watch/read new entries of the franchise), and want to see Log Horizon, but just haven't done yet. I can't say if I like it more than SAO or not yet.
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well I play mmos but hate sao. I dont think they rely off each other you can like one without liking the other
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I've played MMOs and I have watched SAO.
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Probably some....
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I played world of Warcraft like 8 or 9 years ago and played a little skyrim but other then that no. Main reason why I watched sword art was because of the hype it was getting I was curious if I'd like it at all and after seeing season one and two I can say that I honestly enjoyed watching for the most part.
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