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Hahahaha truth to be told I have pondered a lot about life nearly everything and questioned near everything trying to derive an answer even if the answer is never clear...

These days I would say it isn't worth it at all but at the same time now it is the bare minimum.... sad to say... If you can't get into a top school that has a name sticking to it it is better to just go to a state school where it is usually paid fully by federal aid then to get into debt.

These days chances of you finding a job related to your major is nearly zero imo. Even in CS majors or Engineering majors it isn't easy to find jobs these days unless you are willing to move away to a very expensive place... and you are now competing with smarter foreign students... EVEN then you have to be nearly at the top of your major with decent GPA such as 3.5 to a perfect 4.0 and have EXPERIENCE <----- there actually isn't that many positions and becoming your own boss/business OH god... the stupid USA and their regulations/ taxes WHAT FREEDOM

yet every internship you try to get is taken up.... or it is plainly just a lotto or someone's kid within the company etc etc etc

Jobs these days for regular jobs needs minimum 1-3 years experience FOR Entry level positions...

Most jobs created these days are part time jobs and compared to before 2008 jobs levels still haven't reached back to those levels I believe it was like 66% job participation rate now it is barely hanging at 6.2% yet the job labor statistic says we are near full employment generally 4%-5% we have broken to like 5.x% something after 8 years from 11% unempolyment

The thing is these are not the u6 numbers.... a lot of people these days even hold 2 pt jobs...

There have been a ton of layoffs... uncertainty in China Greece meltdown.... Feeling that a recession is soon upon us... Obamacare certainly isn't helping...

Next thing is there is A TON of debt floating around in the world at record levels just the federal is at 18trill but screw that the USA will never so called default prepare for higher taxes... Now we head to the cooperate sector... Everything is DOWN sales and anything They have been borrowing ever since interest rates havve been at ZERO nearly free they have been borrowing now that bonds are almost due and interest rates have been raises FEAR is in the air...

There is a ton more economic data but I can't type it all lol... I got my degree... 1 and a half year ago when I was 22... Yet... nothing has shine on me... I wish someone would give me opportunity they always ignore average people... I can use my head to thinkto coll but can't memorize stuff to perfection... so i rarely get those A+... no experience cuz everything i apply to rejects intern... they always choose those with perfect or fake resumes... HR people have no eyes well most of them... They still think it is a supply market even after 8 years.... THEY are still extremely picky.

I really hate that THEY DON'T TRAIN PEOPLE anymore... they think it is to costly... couldn't they just sign a contract etc etc if we train you, you have to stay in the company for a minimum of xx years... it would be cheaper then going to college....

Truth to be told going to college any college would do... is it still worth it it may mature your mind more... and you would have more time to be self responsible...

Choice is up to you... IF IT WAS 30 years ago or even 20 years ago in the 90s... HELL EVEN 2005 aka 10 years ago it WOULD have been worth it now it is just a piece of paper to most people...
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Mark Twain once said "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education"

I don't think that schooling is absolutely necessary I mean sure if you want to be a doctor or a nurse or a lawyer okay then you should probably go to school so you can actually do that job.

However if you want to be a car mechanic or a construction worker or a soldier then schooling at a university might be absolutely worthless and just cause you to be less likely to get a job because your "over qualified" and add on top of that you also have to start life with a massive amount of debt.

Now going to university might be the correct choice for some and the wrong choice for others but now matter which category you fall into it is important that "you don't let your schooling interfere with your education".

Knowledge is constantly growing, constantly evolving. So make sure to read books and keep learning through trail and error as you fall down in life try to find the lesson in that mistake and learn from it.
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Aside from the obscenely high/questionable college tuition's. The chance of getting a job closely related to your major seems just as bad. With that said.

Do you guys think college is still worth it?

It depends. I think we've all had this discussion a few times before, but here's my 2¢

I'm an engineer. I work specifically in the environmental field. I went to college got my BS & MS in chemical engineering in order to understand the logic, math, and how to think like an engineer. For my field of study, for what I wanted to do with my life - I needed to get a college education.

My sister is a Certified Nursing Assistant. She went through a 2 week training course followed by an examination for her certificate. She has a high school diploma otherwise. While she only recently got the job (she's 21 & living with my parents), she has a fulfilling career she's gotten into without a college degree.

I know people who went into construction (no college degree needed), welding (training courses needed and certifications, but this can give you big money IF you are willing to work crazy hours on rigs). My brother-in-law works at a drywall factory on the floor. It did not require a college education to get this position or to do the job.

The question comes down to this - what do you want to do with your life? Do you want to teach - get a degree in teaching. Do you want to be a scientist? Get a degree in the sciences and plan to spend a lot of time in academia. Do you want to work with your hands? Consider a career in construction or working as a mechanic which will require training (obviously), but not necessarily a college degree. In the US especially there are a LOT of blue collar, working with your hands jobs floating around if you are willing to relocate for the work. There is a currently a skills gap in the US (i.e. a gap in the number of open positions versus the number of people willing and able to be skilled workers). Mike Rowe commonly speaks on the skills gap in this country here: http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

TL;DR - Figure out what you want to do, that will determine if you need a college education or not.
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Generally speaking, yes. That or a trade. Not having an education/trade isn't going to get you far in life unless you're either lucky, have connections or are doing something that requires neither. I'm willing to bet most here don't have those luxuries though, or most people in general for that matter.
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descloud wrote:

Aside from the obscenely high/questionable college tuition's. The chance of getting a job closely related to your major seems just as bad. With that said.

Do you guys think college is still worth it?

It depends. I think we've all had this discussion a few times before, but here's my 2¢

I'm an engineer. I work specifically in the environmental field. I went to college got my BS & MS in chemical engineering in order to understand the logic, math, and how to think like an engineer. For my field of study, for what I wanted to do with my life - I needed to get a college education.

My sister is a Certified Nursing Assistant. She went through a 2 week training course followed by an examination for her certificate. She has a high school diploma otherwise. While she only recently got the job (she's 21 & living with my parents), she has a fulfilling career she's gotten into without a college degree.

I know people who went into construction (no college degree needed), welding (training courses needed and certifications, but this can give you big money IF you are willing to work crazy hours on rigs). My brother-in-law works at a drywall factory on the floor. It did not require a college education to get this position or to do the job.

The question comes down to this - what do you want to do with your life? Do you want to teach - get a degree in teaching. Do you want to be a scientist? Get a degree in the sciences and plan to spend a lot of time in academia. Do you want to work with your hands? Consider a career in construction or working as a mechanic which will require training (obviously), but not necessarily a college degree. In the US especially there are a LOT of blue collar, working with your hands jobs floating around if you are willing to relocate for the work. There is a currently a skills gap in the US (i.e. a gap in the number of open positions versus the number of people willing and able to be skilled workers). Mike Rowe commonly speaks on the skills gap in this country here: http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

TL;DR - Figure out what you want to do, that will determine if you need a college education or not.


Well in my case I like doing things that require hands on work. Mostly with computers which is what made me decide to try and learn to code. I like being able to work on something and see what it will become. My only problem is, I don't know a whole lot of jobs in the computer science field that fits what I am describing. But I enjoy trying to solve issues like fixing things the computer can't repair with scans. But I like using things like SFC/Scannow and ect to find what the issue is. I know that is very low level knowledge but it's that kind of hands on stuff I enjoy.
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if it's possible for you to get a degree then do it. you're better off trying to get a job with at least a high level qualification then with nothing at all. unfortunately in this mundane world of ours, for most of us, we can't do what we want to do so easily.
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When it comes to the IT field in general, you want a college education. Or if you can't afford it or don't want to do that you will at the very least need some basic certifications that you can take tests for. Those requires upkeep every 3 years. Most companies prefer both, but for what you are describing wouldn't take much to acquire.
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Define what you mean by "worth it." If you mean financially worth it, you can calculate that with what's called the "net present value" method in finance. It's how businesses make long term capital budgeting decisions. And yes, this is something you learn in college if you study business.
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dotsforlife wrote:



When it comes to the IT field in general, you want a college education. Or if you can't afford it or don't want to do that you will at the very least need some basic certifications that you can take tests for. Those requires upkeep every 3 years. Most companies prefer both, but for what you are describing wouldn't take much to acquire.


Right now I am getting ready to hopefully transfer into a 4 year college's Computer Science program. So I guess I am on the right path for that kind of job.
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descloud wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:



When it comes to the IT field in general, you want a college education. Or if you can't afford it or don't want to do that you will at the very least need some basic certifications that you can take tests for. Those requires upkeep every 3 years. Most companies prefer both, but for what you are describing wouldn't take much to acquire.


Right now I am getting ready to hopefully transfer into a 4 year college's Computer Science program. So I guess I am on the right path for that kind of job.


Yup and with a Computer Science degree it basically works like a MIS business degree in that it allows you to have your pick from a broad selection of jobs.
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Well in my case I like doing things that require hands on work. Mostly with computers which is what made me decide to try and learn to code. I like being able to work on something and see what it will become. My only problem is, I don't know a whole lot of jobs in the computer science field that fits what I am describing. But I enjoy trying to solve issues like fixing things the computer can't repair with scans. But I like using things like SFC/Scannow and ect to find what the issue is. I know that is very low level knowledge but it's that kind of hands on stuff I enjoy.

Coding requires a very specific set of skills and a willingness to stare at tedium for a LONG time. I roomed with 3 Computer Scientists in college for 3 years. It was a lot of coding, a lot of staring at code trying to find flaws, etc. It was challenging, tedious, and they liked it. I took a few coding courses in college as they were required, but - did not enjoy them.

If you are talking physically repairing computers as opposed to software fixes, that's a different skill set entirely and there are always places looking for help with things like that. Different companies like Dell, HP, etc will send out mechanics who are trained in house on how to repair their equipment. Unsure what type of speciality training or if you'd need a college degree for that, though...
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Yes, if your not going there to fuck around such as constant partying or choosing a pointless major for the sake of choosing something. (eg. taking a liberal arts degree and expecting a high paying job) and if you apply yourself as much as possible.

I'm currently in my first year of university with hopes of majoring in international business and marketing and quite pleased with the amount of knowledge I am gaining. will it neccessarily ensure I get a great job? no; has it effected me positively and made me break out of my shell? yes.

All in all college and or university is a great experience.
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Yea. Just hit up an associates degree with either a decent trade, or some kind of technician. Over here you're looking at like 12,000$ plus your 30% off tuition loan.

This only matters if you want to do this for the rest of your life. This isn't for making money, it is making a career and future so choose wisely my friends.
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Depends on what you want to be in the future.
For an example, if you want to be an Rocket engineer, then you have to study a lot about these things. And of course you need a diploma to make sure you get the job.
But then there are jobs like game developer, artist, inventor and basically anything that you can do at home and publish.

So, if you want a career path that has a lot of depth/knowledge behind it, you're probably better off going to college and getting that diploma, but if you want to make something great on the surface that doesn't have too many strings attached, then you don't really need to get that diploma, you only need to prove yourself :P

That's just my opinion, I'm going to college next year and I will be studying High Voltage Electrical Engineer -> and then -> Effect Engineer :P

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