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When is censorship a good thing?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

When quite a number of lives are at stake, both immediately and surely. Such as national secrets.


Hey, PV said something smart for once! Joking aside, this ^

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In entertainment? Never.


^ This as well.
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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to say what ever you want,
one is not free to shout fire in a cinema or blast music down the street at 3am in the morning.
what it means is the freedom to hold certain opinions or ideas and to communicate such information to consenting individuals without punishment or censorship.
and since it's by consent you cannot force anyone to listen you, and conversely those who do wish to listen cannot be prevented from listening to you.



Cases where censorship is legitimate

1. To prevent some one from forcing you( or the client/s you represent) to be exposed to said speech.
eg. hate talk, spam and excessive volume
( but you cannot prevent him from performing speech to other parties that does not object to it)

2. To prevent information/acts that compromise your/group's privacy, security or subject you to obvious harm.
eg. leaking your private photo or address
( unless if said information is essential for evidence to establish a crime or for a greater "public good" )

3. When it is off topic
eg, If a forum is stated to be only for discussing anime, and you start posting a load of sport news . Then the admin is free to delete the thread or move it to off topic.

Cases where censorship is not legitimate

1. getting rid of opinions that you do not agree with/ dissent.
2. suppressing information that can falsify a claim
3. Banning things that may offended you, you can request to have one's exposure to it limited but you cannot prevent others from doing it.
Since anything is potentially offending, ( one could even be offended by people being offended) the logical ending would be everything is banned.

4. When a platform is specifically designed for said speech, ie. you can't get X banned on a website that is built to show case X. you can't complain about nudity being shown on a "wink wink website

etc etc



An example of legitimate censorship we have here is the spoiler tag.

The spoiler tag is a form of censorship to prevent somebody from being spoiled against their will,
Because many people using the forum ( which is a semi public place) do not want involuntary exposure to spoilers, the admin (the representative of the community) has made it a rule to cover up spoilers with a tag.

However when a spoiler tag is used, any spoilers is allowed and people are free to access such speech once they click on the tag.

On the other hand, if it has a spoiler tag or in a spoiler section of the forum but is still attempted to be removed then it would be illegitimate censorship.

People who do not wish to be spoiled is not affected.
But those who do is still free to be spoiled.



















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Dunno.
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I hate the idea of withholding information. It gives off the impression that you are being manipulative and coy. Like you are hiding your shame. I also hate restricting or altering a creator's vision to make it "safe" for viewing. That said, I think censorship is wrong.
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If a man on the street rips out his wanker and faps in front of a woman and a toddler screaming, "Hey bitch you don't like don't look", is that ok then?




No of course it isn't. That's completely different. First of all it's in real life. Secondly, the mother has no control over whether her toddler sees or not in that circumstance, whereas on tv parents should be able to stop their children from watching sexual programmes. And finally, where is the warning? There isn't one. It's a complete surprise attack. But entertainment like tv shows warn people of the various content they have so people can choose whether to watch them or not.
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I'm not saying they censor the content, I'm saying the people should have the decency to not post certain content in a place that is viewed by underage people.

This is the same concept as having to be 18 to purchase porn and tobacco or 21 to buy alcohol. It's not censorship, it's making sure that what someone has access to is appropriate for their age. If something isn't child friendly then a child shouldn't be able to access it.

Though the Internet really isn't the best place as a kid just has to check a box that they are of age to view something.
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When my parents say so
Posted 1/8/16

potentsativa wrote:

When my parents say so


Ha.
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Irishsushi wrote:

I don't think censorship is ever allowed. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't give you the right to deny them their right to speak.


Alot goes unnoticed mein friend. You just don't know how subtle ppl influence oach other over time on the subconsious. Its sociology 101, social control. Its real, even if you don't know it.


So we should censor something that MIGHT affect someone at sometime in the future? Sorry. but I dont see that as a reason to start censoring people.
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Posted 1/8/16

Irishsushi wrote:


lunarxx wrote:


Irishsushi wrote:

I don't think censorship is ever allowed. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't give you the right to deny them their right to speak.


Alot goes unnoticed mein friend. You just don't know how subtle ppl influence oach other over time on the subconsious. Its sociology 101, social control. Its real, even if you don't know it.


So we should censor something that MIGHT affect someone at sometime in the future? Sorry. but I dont see that as a reason to start censoring people.


idc what you see, have a nice day
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lunarxx wrote:

idc what you see, have a nice day

Seems like a valid refutation if I ever saw one.
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Never. It is never a good thing. Anyone who supports censorship should be the first to be censored.
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IzziRedd wrote:

Never. It is never a good thing. Anyone who supports censorship should be the first to be censored.


I see what you did there.
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