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People need to grow thicker skins. Obviously I can't excuse shit like suicide baiting, nor callout culture both of which are the most brutalized forms of online bullying and for a good reason, but as far as microaggressions go a lot of things need to not be dwelled upon or overblown because they're not actually representative of legitimate cases of online bullying, as far as I'm concerned.


I was going to comment about calling someone out, then I found out that callout culture is more of a circlejerk, not calling someone out on their bullshit.


Call-out culture refers to the tendency among progressives, radicals, activists, and community organizers to publicly name instances or patterns of oppressive behaviour and language use by others. People can be called out for statements and actions that are sexist, racist, ableist, and the list goes on. Because call-outs tend to be public, they can enable a particularly armchair and academic brand of activism: one in which the act of calling out is seen as an end in itself.


For real though, what the fuck is this shit?
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Software isn't the solution since software is flawed and isn't solid like some (including you) would assume. A auto block system wouldn't help at all since it'll have one of two things, a extremely lax architectural detection system at which point it won't help anyone since it won't detect something. Or it'll have such a strict system where it'll consider everything offensive to the point where someone saying something about the weather could be considered offensive by the system. And even if that wasn't the case, then it wouldn't be able to tell what one individual would consider offensive and what someone completely else would consider offensive.


Okay controversial opinion coming up. I think a strict system will be alot better than what we have. Autoblockers are not new. Randi Lee Harper for example made one for blocking people who follow the GG movement. Im gonna assume your being hyperbolic with your example of the strict system but in my view I dont see a problem with overshooting a bit. Sure some accounts that are completely unrelated are going to be blocked. That will happen. But as long as this hypothetical auto blocker is an opt in opt out kind of thing I dont see a problem with that


Blocking one subject really isn't a hard thing to do on the software side, however blocking something as wide as bullying in of it self really isn't possible using software in a good way. And no I wasn't hyperbolic, if the system is extremely strict then it will consider such things offensive.

This doesn't have anything to do with bullying, but about a year ago Google made a new Copyright identification system for it's products and services called the Content ID system that was indented to detect and remove illegal copies of movies, games and etc to Google services such as Drive and Youtube. And guess what Google did? They disabled the system a few weeks after it was employed since it removed things from services like youtube that really shouldn't have been removed. For instance AngryJoe made a interview at E3 with Square Enix and they had a Square enix logo in the background that Google's Content ID detected. So the video was taken offline as copyright violation and Square Enix had to waste their time dealing with Google while Google had to waste time getting the video back all while AngryJoe lost ad revenue.

No software is perfect and if it's too strict then it won't help anything at all, if Google the world's 3rd biggest company couldn't make a auto detect system work properly with all it's unlimited access to money. Then how do you think this will work when it's even more complex due to personal opinions of what bullying is gets in the way in addition to sense if someone has ill intend behind something or not
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Personally I dont mind some program blocking users. If you wanna use that program thats fine.


I could get behind an opt-in super blocker. But, at the end of the day, there are still some slippery shits that'll slip past.

I just don't want to watch what I say, everywhere I go, because some program is censoring me. If a user wants to block me, I'm not going to go out of my way to harass them, anyway.


Well this is opening a can of worms but I really wouldn't consider that censorship. Freedom of Speech does not guarantee you a platform.
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Blocking one subject really isn't a hard thing to do on the software side, however blocking something as wide as bullying in of it self really isn't possible using software in a good way. And no I wasn't hyperbolic, if the system is extremely strict then it will consider such things offensive.

This doesn't have anything to do with bullying, but about a year ago Google made a new Copyright identification system for it's products and services called the Content ID system that was indented to detect and remove illegal copies of movies, games and etc to Google services such as Drive and Youtube. And guess what Google did? They disabled the system a few weeks after it was employed since it removed things from services like youtube that really shouldn't have been removed. For instance AngryJoe made a interview at E3 with Square Enix and they had a Square enix logo in the background that Google's Content ID detected. So the video was taken offline as copyright violation and Square Enix had to waste their time dealing with Google while Google had to waste time getting the video back all while AngryJoe lost ad revenue.

No software is perfect and if it's too strict then it won't help anything at all


Well im not one to place my bets down just yet seeing as how they were super fucking vague in the video

To be fair though Youtube is taking steps to prevent unfair abuse like that from happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-UgOXP82UI
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Well this is opening a can of worms but I really wouldn't consider that censorship. Freedom of Speech does not guarantee you a platform.


It is censorship. I wouldn't mind it from an individual site, or even connected sites using the universal program. I can avoid those, or suck it up if I must use them. When there is no uncensored corner left on the internet, then I'll be pissed. Also, that's when someone will create a new internet for public use.... so I guess I shouldn't worry too much.
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megahobbit wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


Blocking one subject really isn't a hard thing to do on the software side, however blocking something as wide as bullying in of it self really isn't possible using software in a good way. And no I wasn't hyperbolic, if the system is extremely strict then it will consider such things offensive.

This doesn't have anything to do with bullying, but about a year ago Google made a new Copyright identification system for it's products and services called the Content ID system that was indented to detect and remove illegal copies of movies, games and etc to Google services such as Drive and Youtube. And guess what Google did? They disabled the system a few weeks after it was employed since it removed things from services like youtube that really shouldn't have been removed. For instance AngryJoe made a interview at E3 with Square Enix and they had a Square enix logo in the background that Google's Content ID detected. So the video was taken offline as copyright violation and Square Enix had to waste their time dealing with Google while Google had to waste time getting the video back all while AngryJoe lost ad revenue.

No software is perfect and if it's too strict then it won't help anything at all


Well im not one to place my bets down just yet seeing as how they were super fucking vague in the video

To be fair though Youtube is taking steps to prevent unfair abuse like that from happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-UgOXP82UI


Well, so I watched the video and it was pretty hilarious. As a tech junkie myself, I have some knowledge in the field. We are no wheres near to making capable AI to deal with the problem in any reliable manner... the extent of software tech will harm just as many innocent people atm.

It's good Youtube is taking online bullying as something they should seriously consider, however, they are far from capable of targeting the problem, let alone solving it. Honestly they should stop wasting their time on bandaging the solution and work on developing AI tech to make this work. Without AI they are likely to do just as much or more damage than good.
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I'm pretty sure freedom of speech comes in to play here somewhere...
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Agreed so many people would rather live sheltered lives where nothing negative affects them and yet that is not the world we live in. They are denying reality and i've seen the effects living such a sheltered life can have on a person. As for the idea behind the program if one day they do develop something markable to the general public I see only parents buying them and no one else. People really need to develop thicker skin instead of just hiding from the world.


Speaking of denying reality, this video is about a hackathon. Or, more specifically, a project that spans multiple hackathons, in which software developers will collaborate to develop solutions to address online bullying. The hackathon in the video, called CES, is taking place in Las Vegas and is currently ongoing. It's scheduled to continue through January 9, and it's probably only one of many hackathons that the project members will be participating in. Discussions are still ongoing, and there's been no talk of a fully automated system for blocking potentially offensive or abusive content.

Might I remind everyone that Crunchyroll has already implemented software solutions to handle online bullying on their own website? Check out the "Report to Moderator" feature at the bottom of every post. This project will likely produce systems similar to that in which *users* and *moderators* can more quickly and effectively screen and eliminate abusive content.
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animegirl2222 wrote:

People need to grow thicker skins. Obviously I can't excuse shit like suicide baiting, nor callout culture both of which are the most brutalized forms of online bullying and for a good reason, but as far as microaggressions go a lot of things need to not be dwelled upon or overblown because they're not actually representative of legitimate cases of online bullying, as far as I'm concerned.


I was going to comment about calling someone out, then I found out that callout culture is more of a circlejerk, not calling someone out on their bullshit.


Call-out culture refers to the tendency among progressives, radicals, activists, and community organizers to publicly name instances or patterns of oppressive behaviour and language use by others. People can be called out for statements and actions that are sexist, racist, ableist, and the list goes on. Because call-outs tend to be public, they can enable a particularly armchair and academic brand of activism: one in which the act of calling out is seen as an end in itself.


For real though, what the fuck is this shit?



It's basically vindictive whining, used to try and defame or incriminate someone else for something "problematic", in order to get more people on your side. It's a slimy tactic that generally does involve a lot of circlejerkings, as both the called out and caller often go at it for quite awhile as far as feuds go. The whole point of "callouts", as far as tumblr goes, is to collect as many "evidences", also known as screenshots or "receipts" of people's "offensive" statements, even if said statements are taken out of context and sometimes even altered by the poster in order to incriminate the callout "victim" of sorts- or are, naturally, as the order of tumblr goes, subjectively offensive to most rational people.

As someone who has been "called out" multiple times for what is deemed to be "reprehensible" behavior on tumblr, because the hugbox has no room for meanies who tell it like it is, the results of it are pretty brutal for the person called out, and if they fight back things just worsen. Let's see, you get sent constant insults and death threats at someone else's satisfaction, and it never really solves anything or gives proper solution to any actual "controversies" that may be involved, it just actively worsens any wounds that are already there and involves in the person who is called out eventually deleting or forced to move blogs. Overall, it's a highly counterproductive witch hunt, burn the witch, burn the witch!!! crowding of whiny little brats who think that they'll somehow gratify themselves permenantly by sending death threats left and right to people they find to be less than "model citizens" on a fucking bogging site. It's laughable. It's depressing. It's depressingly hilarious how much time and effort is put into callout culture and callouts, but how little awareness or productivity comes of them.
Posted 1/7/16 , edited 1/7/16

VZ68 wrote:


animegirl2222 wrote:

People need to grow thicker skins. Obviously I can't excuse shit like suicide baiting, nor callout culture both of which are the most brutalized forms of online bullying and for a good reason, but as far as microaggressions go a lot of things need to not be dwelled upon or overblown because they're not actually representative of legitimate cases of online bullying, as far as I'm concerned.


I was going to comment about calling someone out, then I found out that callout culture is more of a circlejerk, not calling someone out on their bullshit.


Call-out culture refers to the tendency among progressives, radicals, activists, and community organizers to publicly name instances or patterns of oppressive behaviour and language use by others. People can be called out for statements and actions that are sexist, racist, ableist, and the list goes on. Because call-outs tend to be public, they can enable a particularly armchair and academic brand of activism: one in which the act of calling out is seen as an end in itself.


For real though, what the fuck is this shit?


What everyone does on social media, its systemic, myself included. Speaking out against speaking out, is what that category :callout culture" amounts to. A STFU tactic conservatives and normalists like to pacify critics .
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Here's the solution I prefer to employ. IP trace and my own two fists or any implement suited to maximum punishment.
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J-POP187 wrote:


Agreed so many people would rather live sheltered lives where nothing negative affects them and yet that is not the world we live in. They are denying reality and i've seen the effects living such a sheltered life can have on a person. As for the idea behind the program if one day they do develop something markable to the general public I see only parents buying them and no one else. People really need to develop thicker skin instead of just hiding from the world.


Speaking of denying reality, this video is about a hackathon. Or, more specifically, a project that spans multiple hackathons, in which software developers will collaborate to develop solutions to address online bullying. The hackathon in the video, called CES, is taking place in Las Vegas and is currently ongoing. It's scheduled to continue through January 9, and it's probably only one of many hackathons that the project members will be participating in. Discussions are still ongoing, and there's been no talk of a fully automated system for blocking potentially offensive or abusive content.

Might I remind everyone that Crunchyroll has already implemented software solutions to handle online bullying on their own website? Check out the "Report to Moderator" feature at the bottom of every post. This project will likely produce systems similar to that in which *users* and *moderators* can more quickly and effectively screen and eliminate abusive content.


I know it's a hackathon. I'm speaking in general terms, online bullying is at best an annoyance. No one is making a person stay on a website they get harassed on. Whatever happened to turning the screen off or going to another website. Even most websites allow users to delete their accounts and make new ones so I don't see what the problem is. Contact a mod or if someone threaten you harm contact the cops just don't come out with a blanket system that can't differentiate between humor and harassment.
Take this for an example if another user and I are playing a competitive game and I typed in I smoke you Will that be an bannable offense?
I'm looking at the content of what they want to make and from most users responses we are nowhere near close to developing such software. In the future maybe and I stand by that the consumer base will be mainly parents with kids.
To me the best system while not perfect is always going to be the option to report to mods.
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