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Okay, so I've noticed that a lot of people have been romanticizing mentally ill/homocidal/sadistic characters


Yuno Gasai, etc.




Well, how can you not cheer on Yuno?



Girl is homocidal, sure, but only because she aint letting no yaoi fuckboi near her man.
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Maybe because some people can relate to them. Yagami Light for example, hes definitely one of my favorite characters.
Im not saying I want to kill people by writing their names in a book though, nonono. But the justice aspect is good.


If Light's actions led to anything resembling justice, it was a fluke. He was a megalomaniac that didn't just have the typical god complex but convinced himself his murdering of the worst of the worst, and then the ones left after that, and then people who got in his way, and then those that were useful to kill, etc. would result in a new paradisaical world where he would be worshiped as a god.

In short Light was his own number one fangirl and he liked the crazy ones.

On topic, I can only speak for myself but the attractive (alternatively "cool looking", alternatively "entertaining", etc.) ones end up being appealing in part because you somehow feel less guilty/unworthy of being their love interest/friend/whatever since hey, this character is already messed up how can you make things worse?


If killing those who are against you is what the people want then what determines what is right and what is not? Justice in his mind was nothing but getting rid of anything that is doing more danger to the society than good and so going by his perspective he was going to be the god of the new world and was going to rule over it and people were approving it, that influenced his reason for thinking that those who opposed him were wrong.

Light dropped the world crime rate by 70% and had stopped all the wars in the world, thinking about it from this perspective, those who opposed him were wrong because they technically were against this outcome, even if it was unconsciously



Psst... some of us are adults with an informed opinion on what "justice" actually is.

Think about your logic: Light dropped the world crime rate by 70% through mass murder. By that logic if I wipe out the entire human race, I will lower all human crime by 100%. Clearly I will be the savior of the world!

Nope. Not how it works. You have to respect human rights if you want to appeal to things like justice. If you don't, you'll just find yourself awash in a sea of relativism, at which point the good news is you won't have done anything wrong. The bad news is you won't have done anything right, and the same will apply to everyone.

Regardless, I firmly stand by my final point that Light's number one fangirl was... himself.

A random mass murder will by no means affect world crime rate in certain type of way, A well thought out one that has a purpose would however, hence light's idea had that effect.And here's the thing, those criminals had offended humanity and its rights themselves and so sympathizing with them would only make it hypocritical from the interpool's viewpoint of what justice is, thus similarly and going by that pattern the interpool themselves/ justice system had offended humanity as well, but guess what? they weren't questioned. Even L had offended human rights by making soichiro yagami threat his own son and daughter with a gun to prove a speculation. Wiping the entire human race is not doing the crime rate numbers any good as the the rating itself would disappear hence decreasing by 100% doesn't make sense in that context.


And yes, I guess you could call light his own number fangirl

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I think people like characters that have flaws. no one is perfect so when they see a character suffering from something it makes it seem more believable.
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I don't know. People find something attractive about them.
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Because we're fun until we're not.
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Other way around.
If someone's attractive then their faults are seen through rose tinted glasses.
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IF YOU SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILLNESS PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED BY THIS THREAD

Okay, so I've noticed that a lot of people have been romanticizing mentally ill/homocidal/sadistic characters lately. I've also noticed that most people only like these types of characters if they're attractive. As soon as they become unattractive, people either don't give a crap, or they dislike them. Why do people like these kinds of characters?

Is it just because they're attractive? Or do they just genuinely like messed up characters?

ie: Alois Trancy, Yuuzou, Bill Cipher, every single creepypasta character ever, Gamzee Makara, Yuno Gasai, etc.


by what right to do you have to lump mental illness with homicidal and sadistic people. even if you ask folk not to be offended your post is quite clearly offensive. Not everyone who has a mental illness is a murderer or a cruel person.
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by what right to do you have to lump mental illness with homicidal and sadistic people. even if you ask folk not to be offended your post is quite clearly offensive. Not everyone who has a mental illness is a murderer or a cruel person.

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I think the main reason most people tend to like such characters is because the characters themselves are attractive and so people are more willing to forgive attractive-looking fictional characters for some serious and severe character flaws they're "cute" or "hot" or "pretty". The fact that these characters are flawed are a bonus that makes them more interesting than someone who's more generic and because of such flaws they are viewed as endearing but someone who is fugly and equally flawed will not get the same treatment and is often viewed as something to be hated and scorned.

As for me personally, on the other hand, I tend to like them because they are easier for me to relate to due to how messed up in the head they are as opposed to normal people and characters who often fit that mold.
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It depends on the character, but I think most are interesting or attractive so fans overlook their mental hysteria in all its forms.

I've got anxiety and depression, and trust me, characters in movies and anime make mental illness seem like a quirk. In reality, people are far less forgiving. Many people in real life get tired of your episodes and leave, no matter how cute one might be. It takes someone special to stick with you [and even they have their limit]

I feel Inside Out really explains things. The first time I watched with people all but myself and my other friend with depression was mad at Sadness, but we kept defending her because she just wanted to help, by the end, all my friends felt bad for getting upset with Sadness. Myself? I was mad a Joy for most of the movie lol. [My other friend wasn't as upset as me, but she didn't like joy at first either] I get they're representing one emotion, but I'll bet most people went on a similar journey as Joy and didn't warm up to Sadness until the middle of the film. That's kind of normal, most people will be annoyed because you don't think like them.


The main reason why I didn't bother watching Inside Out is because I felt like I would be spending most of the time hating Joy for that very reason.
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QuietlyLoud wrote:

IF YOU SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILLNESS PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED BY THIS THREAD

Okay, so I've noticed that a lot of people have been romanticizing mentally ill/homocidal/sadistic characters lately. I've also noticed that most people only like these types of characters if they're attractive. As soon as they become unattractive, people either don't give a crap, or they dislike them. Why do people like these kinds of characters?

Is it just because they're attractive? Or do they just genuinely like messed up characters?

ie: Alois Trancy, Yuuzou, Bill Cipher, every single creepypasta character ever, Gamzee Makara, Yuno Gasai, etc.


by what right to do you have to lump mental illness with homicidal and sadistic people. even if you ask folk not to be offended your post is quite clearly offensive. Not everyone who has a mental illness is a murderer or a cruel person.


Not everyone but alot of us with mental illness's have the potential to murder
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These plots often involve the mental condition of the character getting progressively worst and worst almost to the point of masochism and then they kill someone in hysteria. Many stories I've came across with mentally ill characters follow this pattern.....which is probably why OP thinks mentally ill/homocidal/sadistic belong in together.

You don't really know much about what the character is thinking other than from some bizarre speech they have made during their fit of rage.

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There's just something appealing about a character that doesn't curb their emotional reactions with reason or civility. The character feels animalistic. To some people, that's an attractive trait; it shares its basis with things like sexual domination, which a lot of people seem to be into: it's all about asserting volitional pressure and using force to get what you want.

To others, it's not attractive so much as it is just foreign, which makes it interesting. As the kind of person who hates being so much as rude and never acts without thinking, I like seeing this type of character, because I can't relate to it at all, which makes it unpredictable. That's why I love anime like Higurashi no Naku Koro ni or Fate/Zero (the magnificent lunatic that is Caster is one of my very favorite anime villains), which plays up not the attractiveness of these characters, but the fear factor. It straight-up presents them as monsters, and I find that when the villain is a senseless psychopath, it brings something to the story that a more relatable or rational villain just can't. It's like anyone, under the right sequence of circumstances, can become something so twisted as to not even be human anymore. That appeals to the existential horror fan in me; there's nothing scarier than something you can't understand, so what if that thing is something you'd normally expect to be able to understand - something that should be the same as you? It's the literary "other", except it turns out to be yourself all along.
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I agree with Malus, it's like how some women go crazy over Christian Grey, when he's a sick pervert. It's probably because it's fictional. Don't think those women who worship Grey would like it in real life, to be honest.
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KamisamanoOtaku wrote:


ShittyRestaurant wrote:


KamisamanoOtaku wrote:


Lovanth3 wrote:

Maybe because some people can relate to them. Yagami Light for example, hes definitely one of my favorite characters.
Im not saying I want to kill people by writing their names in a book though, nonono. But the justice aspect is good.


If Light's actions led to anything resembling justice, it was a fluke. He was a megalomaniac that didn't just have the typical god complex but convinced himself his murdering of the worst of the worst, and then the ones left after that, and then people who got in his way, and then those that were useful to kill, etc. would result in a new paradisaical world where he would be worshiped as a god.

In short Light was his own number one fangirl and he liked the crazy ones.

On topic, I can only speak for myself but the attractive (alternatively "cool looking", alternatively "entertaining", etc.) ones end up being appealing in part because you somehow feel less guilty/unworthy of being their love interest/friend/whatever since hey, this character is already messed up how can you make things worse?


If killing those who are against you is what the people want then what determines what is right and what is not? Justice in his mind was nothing but getting rid of anything that is doing more danger to the society than good and so going by his perspective he was going to be the god of the new world and was going to rule over it and people were approving it, that influenced his reason for thinking that those who opposed him were wrong.

Light dropped the world crime rate by 70% and had stopped all the wars in the world, thinking about it from this perspective, those who opposed him were wrong because they technically were against this outcome, even if it was unconsciously



Psst... some of us are adults with an informed opinion on what "justice" actually is.

Think about your logic: Light dropped the world crime rate by 70% through mass murder. By that logic if I wipe out the entire human race, I will lower all human crime by 100%. Clearly I will be the savior of the world!

Nope. Not how it works. You have to respect human rights if you want to appeal to things like justice. If you don't, you'll just find yourself awash in a sea of relativism, at which point the good news is you won't have done anything wrong. The bad news is you won't have done anything right, and the same will apply to everyone.

Regardless, I firmly stand by my final point that Light's number one fangirl was... himself.


A random mass murder will by no means affect world crime rate in certain type of way, A well thought out one that has a purpose would however, hence light's idea had that effect.And here's the thing, those criminals had offended humanity and its rights themselves and so sympathizing with them would only make it hypocritical from the interpool's viewpoint of what justice is, thus similarly and going by that pattern the interpool themselves/ justice system had offended humanity as well, but guess what? they weren't questioned. Even L had offended human rights by making soichiro yagami threat his own son and daughter with a gun to prove a speculation. Wiping the entire human race is not doing the crime rate numbers any good as the the rating itself would disappear hence decreasing by 100% doesn't make sense in that context.


And yes, I guess you could call light his own number fangirl



Never called light a random mass murderer; perhaps that means I ought to have sought a more specific term.

The ends do not justify the means. Think about the full ramifications of arguing the opposite of that; if the ends can justify the means as a flat rule, then try to think of an act so vile that you can honestly only barely think about it. If you try to think about it in anything but the abstract the revulsion, anger or any number of other emotions will force your brain to shut down. I'd try to name an example but the internet has taught me my lesson as one of two things (sometimes both things) happens when you get specific:

1) Someone upset that you classified either the entire act or some facet of it in a negative light.

2) Something so far beyond the scope of the argument that people struggle to take it seriously.

Either basically shuts down discussion.

Anyway, I wonder if I draw a difference between "killing" and "murder" where as you do not. Are you familiar with the concept of authority and power? Power means you are able to do something, authority means you are entitled to do it. If Light were selected by legitimate governing authorities to execute those already condemned to death under the legal system (and for the sake of argument we'll assume a competent, just legal system even if it is imperfect) he's killing but he's not murdering. Even if he does accidentally slay an innocent in doing this, his conscience would be clear. The only potential snag would be if using the Deathnote is inherently evil and... it might be given how the series treats it. Otherwise any method that is not inherently evil or applied in an evil manner would be acceptable.

Deathnote is about someone with the power to kill anyone so long as he has that person's name and face, but who lacks the authority to do so.

As for this creating a better world, even when the actual authorities execute someone who truly does deserve it in every sense of the word, it has an impact on the citizenry. Light is clearly overstepping his authority and that is why as you watch the series, you have many who aren't rejoicing but terrified. Light isn't the highest court in the land, affirming the judgment of lower courts that have reviewed the case over and over again to do the best humans can to avoid convicting the innocent while still pursuing the guilty. He gets the wrong face for a name and your life is over possibly before you even know it! What of those that were convicted of something but not determined worthy of death? The show doesn't suggest that everyone Light murders among the criminal element are people that managed to slip through the cracks in the system. Some just weren't deemed worthy of death: they made a mistake and paid for it. You don't forget what they've done, but you don't get to try, convict and punish them again for their misdeeds.

Still, glad we could come to an understanding about Light being his own number one fangirl. Oddly enough it made me realize that in actuality, the premise of the thread is incorrect: people aren't just attracted to the "beautiful people" who are so mentally or emotionally disturbed they commit horrible acts, but rather will often soften those with rather unpleasant appearances. While most of the time it is just in fan art, we see it in official stuff as a reciprocation of the desires of the fan base. "Oh, Character X is popular! Better present him in the best light possible. Don't make him quite so disgusting." Yeah, sometimes this backfires when being disgusting is that character's "thing".
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