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The end of democracy.
Posted 1/9/16

Several possiblilities, but I don't believe it will be militant islamists. I believe it will collapse in a fashion similar to the Roman Republic.


" Internal turmoil provoked in 133 BC by economic stagnation in the city of Rome , slave revolts without, and dissension in the military precipitated a period of unrelenting political upheaval known as the Roman Revolution, the Late Roman Republic , or the Fall of the Republic, 133-27 BC.




"In 133 BC, Rome was a democracy. Little more than a hundred years later it was governed by an emperor. This imperial system has become, for us, a by-word for autocracy and the arbitrary exercise of power.

At the end of the second century BC the Roman people was sovereign. True, rich aristocrats dominated politics. In order to become one of the annually elected 'magistrates' (who in Rome were concerned with all aspects of government, not merely the law) a man had to be very rich.

Even the system of voting was weighted to give more influence to the votes of the wealthy. Yet ultimate power lay with the Roman people. Mass assemblies elected the magistrates, made the laws and took major state decisions. Rome prided itself on being a 'free republic' and centuries later was the political model for the founding fathers of the United States.

The system was weighted to give more influence to the votes of the wealthy.

By 14 AD, when the first emperor Augustus died, popular elections had all but disappeared. Power was located not in the old republican assembly place of the forum, but in the imperial palace. The assumption was that Augustus's heirs would inherit his rule over the Roman world - and so they did.

This was nothing short of a revolution, brought about through a century of constant civil strife, and sometimes open warfare. This ended when Augustus - 'Octavian' as he was then called - finally defeated his last remaining rivals Mark Antony and Cleopatra in 31 BC and established himself on the throne. Why did this revolution happen?


Yes, why.



"The consequences of Rome's growing empire were crucial. Many of the poor had fallen into poverty after serving for long periods with armies overseas - and returning to Italy to find their farmland taken over by wealthier neighbours.

How were the needs of such soldiers to be met? Who in Rome was to profit from its empire, which already stretched from Spain to the other end of the Mediterranean?

Leading men were sometimes given vast power to deal with military threats.

Tiberius's decision to use the revenues of Asia for his land distribution was a provocative claim - that the poor as well as the rich should enjoy the fruits of Rome's conquests.

But Tiberius's desire to stand for a second tribunate also raised questions of personal political dominance. The state had few mechanisms to control men who wanted to break out of the carefully regulated system of 'power sharing' that characterised traditional Republican politics.


lol.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

Abraham Lincoln"

socrates (/aɪ.ˈsɒk.rə.ˌtiːz/; Greek: Ἰσοκράτης, pronounced [isokrátɛ͜ɛs]; 436–338 BC), an ancient Greek rhetorician, was one of the ten Attic orators. Among the most influential Greek rhetoricians of his time, Isocrates made many contributions to rhetoric and education through his teaching and written works.



“Democracy destroys itself because it abuses its right to freedom and equality. Because it teaches its citizens to consider audacity as a right, lawlessness as a freedom, abrasive speech as equality, and anarchy as progress.”
— Isocrates


Posted 1/9/16 , edited 1/9/16
So then what else is better than Democracy?
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thats cool
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I didnt read that
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stars201 wrote:

So then what else is better than Democracy


Anarchy!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs
Posted 1/9/16

stars201 wrote:

So then what else is better than Democracy


I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that, but that history is doomed to repeat itself.
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Thankfully we are a constitutional republic so even if the government tanks all we have to do is read our constitution then we have a new government. Plus every state is capable of working independent of a federal government and has its own constitution.


Security through layers!
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Rujikin wrote:

Thankfully we are a constitutional republic so even if the government tanks all we have to do is read our constitution then we have a new government. Plus every state is capable of working independent of a federal government and has its own constitution.


Security through layers!


The way people talk about government shutdowns you'd think everyone would fly into a blind rage and start murdering people.

It's interesting to think of life after America.
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Rujikin wrote:

Thankfully we are a constitutional republic so even if the government tanks all we have to do is read our constitution then we have a new government. Plus every state is capable of working independent of a federal government and has its own constitution.

Security through layers!


In fact, just like Magical Soul's "two constitutions" (ah, doesn't seem the same without her anymore, but it's nice), the Articles of Confederation DID let the states work independently for about seven years.
Until it turned out to be a problem with no army or common currency, and then the national democracy under one Constitution started to look pretty good.

Until the old Roman and Greek examples were always brought up by the naysayers to tell us why It'd Never Work, and threw around "King George" fearmongering about Gen. Washington.
(Which is how we got the 2nd Amendment in the first place, but that's another button-thread.)
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Rujikin wrote:
Plus every state is capable of working independent of a federal government and has its own constitution.

Tell that to California. Yeah it makes the most money in the union. It also functions at the greatest deficit.
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Shenseiken Tell that to California. Yeah it makes the most money in the union. It also functions at the greatest deficit.


Bugs Bunny had a better idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98
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Ejanss wrote:


Shenseiken Tell that to California. Yeah it makes the most money in the union. It also functions at the greatest deficit.


Bugs Bunny had a better idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98

Ah, but where would we send all the old farts to retire and drag out elections with "confusing ballots".
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We need to restore the ancient practice of prince bishops and establish a Catholic theocracy.
Then we can have awesome facial hair and cool hats
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Posted 1/9/16
Every system that is ruled by men is shit. It'd be best if we all just died out as a species.
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Werina wrote:

I didnt read that


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