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Some people believe robots would take care of all the grubby work so humans would enjoy all the fruits of their labor

It's just transferring misery onto something that couldn't be miserable
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“Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars.”
When I feel like everything is against me, this kind of helps. ^ I wish it didn't exist but nothing in this world is perfect.
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I would point towards looking into theosophy, if you are interested into things like this. I'm not as knowledgeable as I would like to be about it, because I'm too lazy to read books.
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Nalaniel wrote:

There are many people on this planet. Do you think some of us do have to suffer so others can enjoy their life? Are there people who are weak and should have a miserable life because they can't fight for a better one?


Suffering happens because of people's reckless and insensitive nature towards other people they don't care about, and they pass the torch on to their victims who go on to victimize someone else so they won't be "soft" (and they always tell theirselves they're doing them good). I think that there are a lot of people who are too insecure about themselves and allow themselves to become cynical and mean and sarcastic to others' plights. On a systematic level they are taught by the media and friends to be fearful they're going to get hurt. What winds up happening is they aren't mindful of what they say or do because of this insecurity because it insulates them, but victimizes others, robbing them of their childlike purity and innocence. A lot of the vices in this world, drinking, drugs, violence, is due to the tensions caused by the culture of insensitivity and a world that nobody cares unless you have social status and income. Its impossible to systematically change this materialistic way anytime soon because its so ingrained , if you don't conform, you die, or go mad (or both).

Some people are too generous and some take advantage of that generosity as well, perpetuating the phenomenon described above.
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At the risk of alienating myself...
Some would say that when you're ready to be born there are factors that will shape your life. Factors that were decided by your previous lives; that's where karma comes in. As well as factors that were chosen by you for that life. They can be things like who you meet and your sex(yeah that's where people stop listening).

There's also generally a lesson or trial you're looking to learn or accomplish for means of spiritual growth. Though sometimes you could be mainly looking to help someone else with their life. That's where a lot of people would see ugly or confusing circumstances like child deaths and view them as outliers and dismiss spirituality.

One doesn't always have to accomplish something though. Some do come back just to party. So to speak. If you're wondering, you don't have to come back. There are other things to do. Your spirit is greatly influenced by your most recent life, but the rest is not lost.
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As much as I don't like how it works, that is life for you..
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Yes. Pain and suffering is necessary. Only through pain do people learn understanding.

A person who only knows how to stand has not lived. A person who cannot stand is no longer living.



You speak in absolutes comrade. Yes, pain and suffering is necessary as it is inevitable, however it is not the only factor that plays into understanding. Understanding can be achieved through several mediums, such as example or reflection. It is because we understand do we know pain, and from that expectation, happiness.
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You speak in absolutes comrade. Yes, pain and suffering is necessary as it is inevitable, however it is not the only factor that plays into understanding. Understanding can be achieved through several mediums, such as example or reflection. It is because we understand do we know pain, and from that expectation, happiness.


I speak in absolutes, but only because what encompasses understanding is interpreted in a diverse amount of ways. He who has not suffered cannot reach the near pinnacle of understanding in regards to the value of human life--especially his own--and his blessings. Such understanding can be reached by example and by reflection, but only ambiguously. What is the pain of others amidst the life of glamour and comfort? Is it truly understanding then or simply a parallel of? It depends on the degree that we subjectively define understanding. I can argue, more soundly, that the maximal understanding is improbable, but nearly achieved by akin pain and suffering. An imitation of emotions never relatively experienced is as believable as a smile devoid of happiness.

It's funny, but humans rather unthinkingly are aware of this. It is why we refrain to say 'we understand' at times and take instead to saying 'I could never hope to understand' and 'I'm sorry'.

I should say that reflection is entirely relevant to the process, but it's more like the offspring of the experience and less like the sibling.

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Nalaniel wrote:

There are many people on this planet. Do you think some of us do have to suffer so others can enjoy their life? Are there people who are weak and should have a miserable life because they can't fight for a better one?


Young lady! What did i tell you about starting these weird posts! Now go to your room. No Zagrebački odrezak for you tonight!
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What if pain is your pleasure.
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Yes. Suffering is part of life. There are many different types of suffering. Each type can destroy as a person, but it can also help you become a better person. You can always past down your experience to others in need.
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Komaku wrote:

You speak in absolutes comrade. Yes, pain and suffering is necessary as it is inevitable, however it is not the only factor that plays into understanding. Understanding can be achieved through several mediums, such as example or reflection. It is because we understand do we know pain, and from that expectation, happiness.


I speak in absolutes, but only because what encompasses understanding is interpreted in a diverse amount of ways. He who has not suffered cannot reach the pinnacle of understanding in regards to the value of human life--especially his own--and his blessings. Such understanding can be reached by example and by reflection, but only ambiguously. What is the pain of others amidst the life of glamour and comfort? Is it truly understanding then or simply a parallel of? It depends on the degree that we subjectively define understanding. I can argue, more soundly, that the maximal understanding is improbable, but nearly achieved by akin pain and suffering. An imitation of emotions never relatively experienced is as believable as a smile devoid of happiness.

It's funny, but humans rather unthinkingly are aware of this. It is why we refrain to say 'we understand' at times and take instead to saying 'I could never hope to understand' and 'I'm sorry'.



Did Tatewaki Kuno write that for you?

You're right. "You can't really understand another person's experience until you've walk a mile in their shoes." There are so many ways to make a living, so many different schools and methods of learning. Everyone must walk their own path to their own destination. There are those that learn by example, and those that go off the path and make their own. "Do not go where the path may lead, but instead where there is no path and leave a trail. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Its in their own time or in another life that they reach the same destination, and the answers may come from reflection. the error is we're our own demons, noone needs help for suffering.
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Did Tatewaki Kuno write that for you?

You're right. "You can't really understand another person's experience until you've walk a mile in their shoes." There are so many ways to make a living, so many different schools and methods of learning. Everyone must walk their own path to their own destination. There are those that learn by example, and those that go off the path and make their own. "Do not go where the path may lead, but instead where there is no path and leave a trail. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Its in their own time or in another life that they reach the same destination, and the answers may come from reflection. the error is we're our own demons, noone needs help for suffering.


I'm unfamiliar with the character.

We achieve better understanding by making parallels from our own experiences through lines of similarity. It's like imagining the color blue without experiencing color.

Pain is inevitable, no shoving necessary or implied.

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