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Post Reply Do you think some people have to suffer?
Posted 1/9/16
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Only I do.
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You speak in absolutes comrade. Yes, pain and suffering is necessary as it is inevitable, however it is not the only factor that plays into understanding. Understanding can be achieved through several mediums, such as example or reflection. It is because we understand do we know pain, and from that expectation, happiness.


I speak in absolutes, but only because what encompasses understanding is interpreted in a diverse amount of ways. He who has not suffered cannot reach the near pinnacle of understanding in regards to the value of human life--especially his own--and his blessings. Such understanding can be reached by example and by reflection, but only ambiguously. What is the pain of others amidst the life of glamour and comfort? Is it truly understanding then or simply a parallel of? It depends on the degree that we subjectively define understanding. I can argue, more soundly, that the maximal understanding is improbable, but nearly achieved by akin pain and suffering. An imitation of emotions never relatively experienced is as believable as a smile devoid of happiness.

It's funny, but humans rather unthinkingly are aware of this. It is why we refrain to say 'we understand' at times and take instead to saying 'I could never hope to understand' and 'I'm sorry'.

I should say that reflection is entirely relevant to the process, but it's more like the offspring of the experience and less like the sibling.



You've said a number of things I really liked but to save time and flattery I've point out specifics relating to the previous.
"what encompasses understanding is interpreted in a diverse amount of ways."
"It depends on the degree that we subjectively define understanding."
"that the maximal understanding is improbable"
Perfect. You understand fully that situational circumstance of every given instance and the relation perception has into the result, is exactly what is needed for topics like this. I don't even need to specify the opposite and how it could be applicable because like you said, it depends on the degree in which things are defined, you understand that very well.

To say that I am satisfied on the answer you have given would be an understatement, I am more than amazed that someone understands things to this degree. Once again you have my regards.
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Posted 1/9/16 , edited 1/9/16
Being weak and suffering to benefit another has nothing to do sith it. Suffering happens. Period. Regardless of social standing, strengths, and whatnot. A development of a victim-complex is irrelevant.
"No, you aren't suffering simply because of your status, or anything. You aren't some tragic hero in a work of fiction. Get over youself."

I consider "suffering" as a natural, no normal occurrence, and one of many. An emotional response. I never cared for the idea that only the supposed low-standing and victimized people are the targets.
Posted 1/9/16 , edited 1/9/16

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lunarxx wrote:

Did Tatewaki Kuno write that for you?

You're right. "You can't really understand another person's experience until you've walk a mile in their shoes." There are so many ways to make a living, so many different schools and methods of learning. Everyone must walk their own path to their own destination. There are those that learn by example, and those that go off the path and make their own. "Do not go where the path may lead, but instead where there is no path and leave a trail. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Its in their own time or in another life that they reach the same destination, and the answers may come from reflection. the error is we're our own demons, noone needs help for suffering.


I'm unfamiliar with the character.

We achieve better understanding by making parallels made from our own experiences through lines of similarity. It's like imagining the color blue without experiencing color.

Pain is inevitable, no shoving necessary or implied.



The Kunos are from Ranma 1/2. surprised you're on here and don't know your Ranma, it should be taught in school. >.< But I digress. We need to be more mindful of others' hardships and not be so exploitative in keeping with the thread. We need to break the cycle, all of us.

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Do you think some of us do have to suffer so others can enjoy their life?

reminds me of utilitarianism
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Even on a personal level, suffering is necessary. Without suffering, you cannot appreciate it when you're not.
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define suffer, what do you mean? I have lived half a century, I know pain, I know injury, privation, anguish, sorrow. I don't know what you mean; suffering

life is how you perceive it, and perception is transient you can be in pain for a minute and still have a good hour. sad for a day and still have a grand week, be sick for a year and have a super decade. so what are you talking about?
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equilibrium
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Nalaniel wrote:

There are many people on this planet. Do you think some of us do have to suffer so others can enjoy their life? Are there people who are weak and should have a miserable life because they can't fight for a better one?


Young lady! What did i tell you about starting these weird posts! Now go to your room. No Zagrebački odrezak for you tonight!


I don't eat stuff from those plebeians, anyways. I live close to Split, the coast is my home. And I like these threads. They're fun.
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i can think of some people whose suffering would make me happy...
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Duh. This topic has pretty much been summed up by pretty much everybody else. Suffering is just one of the rules of nature. What a dumb answer to seek.
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Everything is a learning experience.. if it were me i would try to help those who are suffering try to open their eyes to a different kind of reality, help em' out. I find it hard not to help people usually. But if we're looking at atonement i think some people do deserve some if they have committed serious wrong doings but theres a limit. The problem though that i've run into a couple times with people i've met is that some people just refuse to accept help. They condemn themselves to the suffering for whatever reason and don't even acknowledge your efforts. At that point i can only help for so long before i continue on my journey, but i'll let them know that i'll be around if they change their mind. Sadly you can't always save everyone.
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Super_Shaydajin wrote:

Duh. This topic has pretty much been summed up by pretty much everybody else. Suffering is just one of the rules of nature. What a dumb answer to seek.


Searching for answers is never dumb.
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Nalaniel wrote:


Super_Shaydajin wrote:

Duh. This topic has pretty much been summed up by pretty much everybody else. Suffering is just one of the rules of nature. What a dumb answer to seek.


Searching for answers is never dumb.


Not what I said. The PARTICULAR answer you were looking for is super obvious and easy to find with like, 5 seconds of pondering. At least on how you phrased the question. If you had asked something not as dumb, like, "What is the intrinsic value of Suffering?" that would have been fine as it is a more broad open ended question that prompts discussion.
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Super_Shaydajin wrote:


Nalaniel wrote:


Super_Shaydajin wrote:

Duh. This topic has pretty much been summed up by pretty much everybody else. Suffering is just one of the rules of nature. What a dumb answer to seek.


Searching for answers is never dumb.


Not what I said. The PARTICULAR answer you were looking for is super obvious and easy to find with like, 5 seconds of pondering. At least on how you phrased the question. If you had asked something not as dumb, like, "What is the intrinsic value of Suffering?" that would have been fine as it is a more broad open ended question that prompts discussion.


Oh, yeah. That's true...
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