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Ice_Fire_Phoenix wrote:

I literally questioned why on earth Katia would defect from West Germany to East Germany. You ditched a better living condition, trust in your friends, family, neighbours and comrades, etc. (How can you fight if you can't trust your comrades will defend your back?) for this.


Well she kinda gave it away there by the end.. She was looking for someone.
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ImperialDane wrote:


Ice_Fire_Phoenix wrote:

I literally questioned why on earth Katia would defect from West Germany to East Germany. You ditched a better living condition, trust in your friends, family, neighbours and comrades, etc. (How can you fight if you can't trust your comrades will defend your back?) for this.


Well she kinda gave it away there by the end.. She was looking for someone.


I know, but why she looking for that person? There too much risk just for one person. Turns out that person is...


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well that was freaking dark. I don't expect it to it let up at all.
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Four thoughts throughout the episode:
1.) Damn, it must suck to be one of those foot soldiers. Not only is it freezing outside, but they're fighting aliens while a few get to fight in giant mechs.
2.) The captain invited the West German way too quickly. They lost a pilot yes, but couldn't they try to recruit from another squadron? They know little of her combat ability and trustworthiness. Though it might turn out that the captain has an ulterior motive. My first thought was that they (Stasi) would arrest and interrogate her thoroughly.
3. I very much agree with Theodor that having an emotionally unstable pilot in your squadron is ridiculous. Let her rehabilitate properly before putting her in the front line.
4.) Some of the characters should use hair ties. For instance, Sylwia's design is among the coolest but one of her eyes is covered and thus reducing her vision/effectiveness. It may not matter much in anime land, but its really jarring for me.

That said, I'll definitely tune in next week. The setting is interesting and whole informant aspect could be neat.
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First episode:
-Set in 1983, and there were no LCDs in the gundams (yes these are gundams) That's good.
-Bringing bringing a mentally incapable person to the battle field in an expensive machine is stupid. Intentional drama incoming...
-Killing off a fellow soldier? Even in the 80's, we could keep people alive with life threatening injures.
-The main character overreacting constantly is making this impossible to watch.

This show reminds me of "God Eater"; it has the same overly dramatic characters and forced sorrow.
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I was just listening first before watching and then I went what is this

didnt feel like watching this now
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Unlikable characters... Unlikable characters everywhere.
Posted 1/10/16 , edited 1/10/16

imaginarycreatures wrote:

Out of curiosity, how did you feel about the German being spoken in the episode?


It wasn't too bad, there honestly wasn't all that much in there. I was expecting them to throw random German words around just for the heck of it, but they avoided doing so for the most part (the only example I can think of where it was really unnecessary is the ending scene). I don't mind them putting in German sounding names for characters, objects and mission. They are sometimes a little weird and the pronounciation is of course off, but it does add some sense of authenticity, which I guess is good for a show trying to take itself so seriously, even when I feel like trying to be authentic is somewhat of a pointless endeavour here. And I do have to admit that it makes me a little happy to see my own hometown being mentioned in an Anime I am watching. On the other hand you have the title of both the show and the team, which is such a hilariously bad nonsense word that you have to wonder how anyone is taking them seriously.

The thing that bothered me the most is that I would have preferred it if they had just created some fictional bad guys instead of dragging the Stasi into this, especially considering that this can still be considered recent history. But I guess that's also part of that quest for authenticity I was talking about earlier.
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Funny how dark shows with war are never in bright sunshine this was blizzard conditions and bleak. The plot seems a little complicated its not just humans versus bugs you have politics involved with West and East Germany.
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Mysharonaa wrote:

First episode:
-Set in 1983, and there were no LCDs in the gundams (yes these are gundams) That's good.
-Bringing bringing a mentally incapable person to the battle field in an expensive machine is stupid. Intentional drama incoming...
-Killing off a fellow soldier? Even in the 80's, we could keep people alive with life threatening injures.
-The main character overreacting constantly is making this impossible to watch.

This show reminds me of "God Eater"; it has the same overly dramatic characters and forced sorrow.


So is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann a Gundam too? A giant robot does not a Gundam make. Heck, I don't even watch Gundam, but from the two models I've completed and the one in-progress that's missing a leg on my coffee table right now, the TSFs are NOT Gundams. First off, Gundams try to look like armor-clad humans, which is cool, but then there's the TSFs, who take the basic human structure, aka a head, torso, two arms, and two legs, and keeps it as basic as possible. That is nothing like a human head on a TSF. Then there's the whole "TSFs use conventional weapons, Gundams use crazy things like scythes, giant wings, whips, and face shields". Forgive me for ranting on this, but when someone comes in to comment on a series you love and basically says that designs for things in it are just taking from another series, it's aggravating, and you gotta set them straight. Before making comparisons like that again, maybe know more about the series first, please.

The TSF squadrons take what they can get in the terms of pilots. It takes a lot of training to pilot one of them even halfway-competently. They can't just easily replace a mentally unstable squadmate when she goes insane. When your only hope of survival against the BETA is the TSF squadrons, you'll take whoever can pilot them, even if they're deranged sociopaths when they get in the pilot seat (see Total Eclipse).

Once again, the lack of knowledge for the Muv-Luv series shows in your third point. That was a Destroyer-class BETA that plowed through her TSF. Those BETA can walk through a skyscraper and collapse the whole thing like they were walking through a bead door. The only reason she wasn't completely smushed there was because of the height difference between the TSF and the BETA. The impact alone still did a number, and then there's the whole "got tossed around inside a mecha top that weighs who knows how many tons". Judging by the hand of hers we were shown, most of the bones in her body were probably broken. But no, go ahead and inform us of all the medical info surrounding a person who is attacked by something that doesn't even exist in our reality, when you don't even know the full properties of that reality.

And for the last point, insufferability is kinda a trademark for the start of any Muv-Luv work. Look at the first title of the original trilogy, look at the first two episodes of Total Eclipse, and then the beginning of the Yukon base episodes of Total Eclipse. People start off insufferable because they all have their own issues in a world where all they've known is being chased down by giant omnivorous monsters, and the show can't just go and drop everyone's issues in our lap in the first episode. It's called characterization, and I am looking forward to how each character grows and struggles throughout this series.

Now, on my thoughts, I already love this so far. It has a wonderfully dark and gritty tone to it, and seems to match up with the first two episodes of Total Eclipse (moreso the second episode, since that was where the action was) more than the rest of TE did. So, as long as we don't have a bait-and-switch like what happened with Total Eclipse, I'm already thinking this could be a contender for show of the year. Here's hoping!
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scoobydew wrote:

Funny how dark shows with war are never in bright sunshine this was blizzard conditions and bleak. The plot seems a little complicated its not just humans versus bugs you have politics involved with West and East Germany.

This guy gets it.
Not sure if you've read the visual novel trilogy but it's centric on keeping the reader in the dark with tons of world building and politics before throwing you into said shit storm. Unlike Total Eclipse this seems to be a faithful representation of what Muv-Luv has to offer only the trilogy was misleadingly kind.. Imagine a newborn child and throwing them into an open highway. That's Muv-Luv in a nutshell.
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... And I do have to admit that it makes me a little happy to see my own hometown being mentioned in an Anime I am watching. On the other hand you have the title of both the show and the team, which is such a hilariously bad nonsense word that you have to wonder how anyone is taking them seriously...


Exactly my thoughts
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I was hoping they would do a better job representing the GDR than they did here; the first episodes of Total Eclipse took place in peaceful surrounds in a city, at school- and I would have hoped they could do the same here of perhaps East Berlin (Alexanderplaz, People's Palace and space tower, atomic clock) and have the events of fight with the Beta happen somewhere removed- instead it's just a desolate snowscape (how much space do they think there is in tiny East Germany?) and I have to say they really over did it with the sadistic savagery of the Stasi guards. Yes there was spying and the government was run by the party, but they weren't committing mass executions like that. The situation was far too delicate for that. Yeah I know it's an anime, but forsomething that's meant to entertain me, I would have rather seen some innocent otalgie than cold blooded mass murder.
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curr0001 wrote:

well that was freaking dark. I don't expect it to it let up at all.


It won't.
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That was kinda....ehhh, I don't know. Its kind of hard to believe not even an alien invasion would sway the situation between east and west Germany. And that you could just walk over and make your way onto an elite military unit by asking nicely. The Stasi are everywhere looking for traitors! But since you asked sure, have a giant robot.

And we're still in the Muv Luv "Tits, ass and no helmets" school of pilot uniforms. But with more cute high school girly hairstyles. We will execute your entire god damn family over the slightest rumour but you damn well better have ribbons in your hair like a 6 year old girl if you're going to serve in this army, missy.

But, eh, yeah. Pointlessly dark and the plot feels really forced so far. Welcome to Muv Luv, I guess.

Also, as someone with PTSD, I'm fearing another Aldnoah Zero treatment where no one in, on or producing the show knows anything whatsoever about PTSD.
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