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I don't agree with Romeo and Juliet laws that excuse people within an age range though. Cuz then that's just treating adults differently for no reason. RJ laws should be based on the relationship between the minor and the adult, and not the adult/minor's age.

I mean let's say a 21 year old sleeps with a 14 year old and gets off lightly because they were in a serious relationship or because he was 21... but then a 14 year old and a 40 year old are in the same exact circumstance and he doesn't get the same benefit just because he's 40. That kinda doesn't make sense.

I think for RJ statutes to be fair, it should be based solely on the sincerity of the relationship between the two people rather than their ages.

That said, if we're talking about 18 and 15, regardless of relationship, that should really fall within the haven of the RJ statutes' protection imho. 3-year difference -_-.



I'd agree, but the difficulty lies in determining the sincerity of the relationship. It's impossible to determine sincerity, really. There's obviously some sort of problem, otherwise people would not be in court.

And I get the feeling that this would sort of encourage people to have relationships with minors, which is something I don't think is good. There's too much of a gap in experience and mindsets for a healthy relationship. At such young ages, people are still growing and it would be easy for a much older and more experienced person to have a powerful influence, and the older person would almost certainly be the provider for a while before the younger one catches up and pulls his/her own weight. This might have been okay in the past, but I think times have changed.

I do agree about the 15 and 18 part, though. I actually don't think any punishment at all should be given if the age window is small enough since it's perfectly normal and expected for people to be with people around their own age.

The law isn't perfect since it can't account for every deviation and every unique case, but I'd still support some statutory rape laws. Basing them on age makes them easier to figure out and apply. Basing them on sincerity would result in a lot of muddy rulings and weird interpretations of law. I do think factors beside age are important, but I don't think rulings should be based solely on either age or other factors. I'm an advocate for considering the totality of the circumstances.
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lambofgenesis wrote:
I don't agree with Romeo and Juliet laws that excuse people within an age range though. Cuz then that's just treating adults differently for no reason. RJ laws should be based on the relationship between the minor and the adult, and not the adult/minor's age.

I mean let's say a 21 year old sleeps with a 14 year old and gets off lightly because they were in a serious relationship or because he was 21... but then a 14 year old and a 40 year old are in the same exact circumstance and he doesn't get the same benefit just because he's 40. That kinda doesn't make sense.

I think for RJ statutes to be fair, it should be based solely on the sincerity of the relationship between the two people rather than their ages.

That said, if we're talking about 18 and 15, regardless of relationship, that should really fall within the haven of the RJ statutes' protection imho. 3-year difference -_-.



I'd agree, but the difficulty lies in determining the sincerity of the relationship. It's impossible to determine sincerity, really. There's obviously some sort of problem, otherwise people would not be in court.

And I get the feeling that this would sort of encourage people to have relationships with minors, which is something I don't think is good. There's too much of a gap in experience and mindsets for a healthy relationship. At such young ages, people are still growing and it would be easy for a much older and more experienced person to have a powerful influence, and the older person would almost certainly be the provider for a while before the younger one catches up and pulls his/her own weight. This might have been okay in the past, but I think times have changed.

I do agree about the 15 and 18 part, though. I actually don't think any punishment at all should be given if the age window is small enough since it's perfectly normal and expected for people to be with people around their own age.

The law isn't perfect since it can't account for every deviation and every unique case, but I'd still support some statutory rape laws. Basing them on age makes them easier to figure out and apply. Basing them on sincerity would result in a lot of muddy rulings and weird interpretations of law. I do think factors beside age are important, but I don't think rulings should be based solely on either age or other factors. I'm an advocate for considering the totality of the circumstances.


Yeah. Totality of the circumstances should be how it is. But unfortunately for statutory rape that's seldom the case, just like Karen's link with the 19 year old who got tricked. He didn't have the intent to sleep with the 14 year old, he was intending to sleep with a 17 year old, but the law's applied simply by the facts: "X was <16, Y was >18, sex happened, gg."

I don't think it's so difficult to determine the sincerity of the relationship. If they've been dating for longer than one night before sex occurred, (like months or years), then it's probably a sincere relationship, also if the adult wasn't married or engaged.

And I don't think love should be limited by large age gaps. Some inexperienced people like having experienced people guide them (as long as they're not misleading them), and that could certainly be better than two inexperienced people figuring out life together. Furthermore, being older doesn't necessarily equate to being more mature or experienced :D, they both might actually be on the same level.

Also, if the older one is the only provider, yeah I don't have a problem with that either since I'm kinda slightly against the mandatory "both parties in a marriage have to be providing income otherwise gender roles are being reinforced." If one person is comfortable being the provider, then yeah no problems there.

Idk, maybe I'm too much of a liberal, but I think two people can fall in love regardless of what their age, sex, race are. But I do believe that there are certain ages where sex is something someone can't consent to. And one of my LoL friends said some girls who are 18 still really shouldn't be able to consent to sex -_-.

We should raise the age of consent to 21 tbh, that would be awesome because it would promote sincere relationships between people and also act as population control (for the Darwinists who want that).

California is sorta moving in that direction, being the most progressive state, their age of consent is already 18 (EVEN IF YOU'RE BOTH 17, YOU CAN STILL GET IN TROUBLE).
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Yeah. Totality of the circumstances should be how it is. But unfortunately for statutory rape that's seldom the case, just like Karen's link with the 19 year old who got tricked. He didn't have the intent to sleep with the 14 year old, he was intending to sleep with a 17 year old, but the law's applied simply by the facts: "X was <16, Y was >18, sex happened, gg."

I don't think it's so difficult to determine the sincerity of the relationship. If they've been dating for longer than one night before sex occurred, (like months or years), then it's probably a sincere relationship, also if the adult wasn't married or engaged.

And I don't think love should be limited by large age gaps. Some inexperienced people like having experienced people guide them (as long as they're not misleading them), and that could certainly be better than two inexperienced people figuring out life together. Furthermore, being older doesn't necessarily equate to being more mature or experienced :D, they both might actually be on the same level.

Also, if the older one is the only provider, yeah I don't have a problem with that either since I'm kinda slightly against the mandatory "both parties in a marriage have to be providing income otherwise gender roles are being reinforced." If one person is comfortable being the provider, then yeah no problems there.

Idk, maybe I'm too much of a liberal, but I think two people can fall in love regardless of what their age, sex, race are. But I do believe that there are certain ages where sex is something someone can't consent to. And one of my LoL friends said some girls who are 18 still really shouldn't be able to consent to sex -_-.

We should raise the age of consent to 21 tbh, that would be awesome because it would promote sincere relationships between people and also act as population control (for the Darwinists who want that).

California is sorta moving in that direction, being the most progressive state, their age of consent is already 18 (EVEN IF YOU'RE BOTH 17, YOU CAN STILL GET IN TROUBLE).


Raising the age wouldn't do much, IMO, except get people in trouble who otherwise might not have. If anything, I'd probably lower it to 16.

By 21, many people are in their third year of college. And they almost certainly will have had some experience before then. Promoting sincere relationships isn't effectively done by law. It needs to be a product of upbringing and media stuff, like movies, games, popular internet sites, and books.
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lambofgenesis wrote:

Yeah. Totality of the circumstances should be how it is. But unfortunately for statutory rape that's seldom the case, just like Karen's link with the 19 year old who got tricked. He didn't have the intent to sleep with the 14 year old, he was intending to sleep with a 17 year old, but the law's applied simply by the facts: "X was <16, Y was >18, sex happened, gg."

I don't think it's so difficult to determine the sincerity of the relationship. If they've been dating for longer than one night before sex occurred, (like months or years), then it's probably a sincere relationship, also if the adult wasn't married or engaged.

And I don't think love should be limited by large age gaps. Some inexperienced people like having experienced people guide them (as long as they're not misleading them), and that could certainly be better than two inexperienced people figuring out life together. Furthermore, being older doesn't necessarily equate to being more mature or experienced :D, they both might actually be on the same level.

Also, if the older one is the only provider, yeah I don't have a problem with that either since I'm kinda slightly against the mandatory "both parties in a marriage have to be providing income otherwise gender roles are being reinforced." If one person is comfortable being the provider, then yeah no problems there.

Idk, maybe I'm too much of a liberal, but I think two people can fall in love regardless of what their age, sex, race are. But I do believe that there are certain ages where sex is something someone can't consent to. And one of my LoL friends said some girls who are 18 still really shouldn't be able to consent to sex -_-.

We should raise the age of consent to 21 tbh, that would be awesome because it would promote sincere relationships between people and also act as population control (for the Darwinists who want that).

California is sorta moving in that direction, being the most progressive state, their age of consent is already 18 (EVEN IF YOU'RE BOTH 17, YOU CAN STILL GET IN TROUBLE).


Raising the age wouldn't do much, IMO, except get people in trouble who otherwise might not have. If anything, I'd probably lower it to 16.

By 21, many people are in their third year of college. And they almost certainly will have had some experience before then. Promoting sincere relationships isn't effectively done by law. It needs to be a product of upbringing and media stuff, like movies, games, popular internet sites, and books.


By 21 yeah, you're in junior year or graduated, but you can't drink or do xyz until you're 21 anyway. Idk, I think having sex is heavier than drinking alcohol, so they should be in the same bracket.

And I do think it will promote sincere relationships. I'm sure if the age of consent were 14, lots of adults would be chasing after 14 year olds (for sex). I mean most of the guys who posted on this thread alone are against statutory rape statutes.... so... yeah. What turns guys off is the off-limits thing. No one wants to go to jail or get in trouble, so they stay away. The only ones left are the guys who fell in love (sincere relationship) or are stupid (baka).

But anyway, I think with the way society is headed, the age of consent will be 21. Probably within our lifetimes too. It's just that, it was raised to 18 due to the circumstances of our society (because before you could work you had finish high school). Now high school isn't enough to start a family or work, in fact it's frowned down upon. You have to finish college now... and later on that won't be enough, you'll need at least a masters. As the requirements to stay in school (training period/childhood period) increase, so will the age of consent to deter premature families, etc etc.

way back in ancient times 13 year olds were already moms because people started hunting and working at around 12 because that's all the training you needed to become an adult.



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adults would be chasing after 14 year olds (for sex)

To psychologically project unto everyone else in the world that they would take sexual advantage of little girls when given the chance just because you would is not a valid argument. In fact, it's not even reasonable.
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Oh no! A 20 year old in high school! Because 20 year olds are sooo old! -sarcasm-

Wow, people need to calm the fuck down. Who the hell cares?
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You should read the rest of that paragraph tbh.

I did explicitly say there would be those who would seek sincere non-sexual relationships


Hrafna wrote:


lambofgenesis wrote:

adults would be chasing after 14 year olds (for sex)

To psychologically project unto everyone else in the world that they would take sexual advantage of little girls when given the chance just because you would is not a valid argument. In fact, it's not even reasonable.





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If someone finished high school at 21, I would have just one thing to say to them. I'm happy for you. Transferring people past a certain range to Adult high school is probably a good idea for a more specialized approach. As long as someone is behaving themselves (ideas of "dating" included) then what the hell is the problem if they're still making effort. Some people don't move as fast or run into serious problems that draw them away from school.

Also holy shit. Some people probably should have made a new thread.

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Hey KA, chill out a little. I think you are taking some things that were said a little too personally and seriously. The way I read the prison remark was as a bit of a joke--not necessarily a very funny joke, but something clearly intended to riff off a stereotype about how sex offenders in prison are regarded. There were a lot of emoticons used as well to indicate that much of it wasn't intended all that seriously.

And regardless of whether they were serious remarks against or about you personally, please don't threaten violence. I don't know how serious you are about it, but you talk about it a lot and it's pretty scary, even if you aren't directing it at other users.

In general what people are saying is that regardless of how understandable it might be for someone who's legally an adult to sometimes get tempted by a younger person, knowingly or not, it's something worth being cautious about, just in case circumstances aren't quite what they seem, since it can cause a lot of trouble if things go in a way that's not expected--and even if one believes one did no wrong, and others agree, that doesn't mean that things will legally go in one's favor.
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I can't believe this discussion turned from education for adults to sex with minors.
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I can't believe this discussion turned from education for adults to sex with minors.


I know right.

My first thought when I read the topic was certainly not how it's a bad idea because of inevitable predatory behavior, and I have to wonder what experience of the world others have that I don't, that the subject went so quickly that way.
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I got behind because I was enrolled at a shitty charter school for two years who let me do whatever I wanted. And i wasted, well, essentially, two years, which is why, now, at nineteen, I'm basically aiming for my equivalency now instead. When everyone else around you has moved on and you have no desire to go through the rest of the mentally taxing school drama, surrounded by people younger and stupider than you, you really do not have desire to continue.

It's not even the fact that I'm unintelligent, as much as I lost two years due to my own laziness, but also an irresponsible school staff who kept telling me that I was allowed to take shortcuts when I was not. However, I worked tirelessly to get to where I was before I dropped out, and today am still trying to work towards properly obtaining what I want, to do what I want to do, go where I want to go. Yet, people like my mother are highly unsupportive, referring to me as a lazy good-for-nothing, completely omitting the fact that there are a lot of pressing issues I have, that have hindered me in the past, and still to an extent, do. At last, now I understand I am not useless or lackadaisical as the naysayers described, even if only one parent and a couple shrinks support me, I finally came to the realization that doing what I did was not a detriment to me ultimately, even if I've obviously had some mental hoops along the way that have obstructed view of my goals... I am stronger.... and I will not prove my naysayers sentiments right....
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So they allow 21 year olds to run around in standard classes at high school now? Hell, back in my day they had special classes for the preggo girls, people trying to get their GED, and shit like that. Allowed them to set different start and ending times. Also, if you chuckleheads are going to RP how you are all kung-fu masters and the like, do it in the RP forum.

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So they allow 21 year olds to run around in standard classes at high school now?


Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: In the modern world, yes.
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Posted 1/11/16 , edited 1/11/16

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VZ68 wrote:

So they allow 21 year olds to run around in standard classes at high school now?


Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: In the modern world, yes.


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