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They are legal, however you can't make profit off of something you don't own. Most of the time the people try to make money off it so that is illegal.

They would have to get permission from the distrubritor to actually make a profit. Same with AMV's most of the ones without ads will stay but if you see ad don't expect them to stay on for long.
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djgamer2012 wrote:

They are legal, however you can't make profit off of something you don't own. Most of the time the people try to make money off it so that is illegal.

They would have to get permission from the distrubritor to actually make a profit. Same with AMV's most of the ones without ads will stay but if you see ad don't expect them to stay on for long.


Not quite. You don't have to make a profit from it for it to be illegal. Free mass distribution without the consent of the copyright holder is illegal.
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Hrafna wrote:

I have to pay the Danish government 1 NOK for every word I translate from Danish to English. Copyright laws are going wild, IMO.


Norwegian Krone? That's like $11 per word. That's insane.
Posted 1/12/16

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Hrafna wrote:

I have to pay the Danish government 1 NOK for every word I translate from Danish to English. Copyright laws are going wild, IMO.


Norwegian Krone? That's like $11 per word. That's insane.


"This anime isn't available in your state nor region/Norwegian."
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Posted 1/12/16 , edited 1/12/16
Irony is that the illegal (and free) option is often higher quality than the paid version.

Funi is really, really bad with multiple people talking and/or multiple signs in a scene.
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bobland wrote:
multiple people talking and/or multiple signs in a scene.


what do you mean?
and that multiple signs thing, seems like a terrible, horrible sub.
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Technically I wouldn't say that fansubbers are actually doing anything that illegal outside of "intellectual property theft", but if they are subbing a series isn't licensed, then it's only thieving from Japan, so there is a grey area there as to whether it's legal or not. Honestly, the majority of them are not making money, obviously, just because a few fansubbers have donation buttons doesn't mean they are banking off said subs, the donations are technically "independent" of their work itself, they're voluntary and not mandatory, ergo, I wouldn't say they're technically banking off of grey area legality....

Licensers and Japanese companies sometimes abhor fansubbers, one group got DDOS'd multiple times by what was assumed to be someone working for a JP company, or maybe a US anime distributor, can't remember, but yeah. Though it fluctuates, depending on how much revenue one or the other may be losing lol.

Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. People will do what they do and watch from whatever resources they please. You cannot force them to legally stream, and as long as the cost is not too great to the distributing company, I do not see the real harm. Anime is an expensive thing, not everyone can afford merch, subscriptions, not everyone wants to watch in crap quality either. Some people, like myself, like screencapping. You can't do that properly on a streaming site with subtitles in the way of the pretty visuals, unlike if you're using media player classic with an MKV and softsubs.
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Posted 1/12/16 , edited 1/12/16

namealreadytaken wrote:


bobland wrote:
multiple people talking and/or multiple signs in a scene.


what do you mean?
and that multiple signs thing, seems like a terrible, horrible sub.


shit like this:
http://i.imgur.com/eCPXjo4.jpg

Their sub placement is terrible too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGYL-ZD0_Q


Fansubbers actually give a shit on the quality of their work (even though they don't get paid and they are doing this on their own free time), so as a result they turn out to be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPAk08RmT6s
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Posted 1/13/16 , edited 1/13/16
Not all fansubbers rip from originally legitimate sources. If they did their stuff would be mostly hardsubbed, which it usually isn't. if you rip from a legal source (somehow, this is possible) the subs are forced, so why would they be using the raw file with subs that you can turn on and off?? I suppose someone could copy the transcript from the "legal" stream word for word, but that seems awfully tedious. The only hardsubbed rips I've seen are Funi's and a couple of CR's, but they're all hardsubbed that i could see because they were recorded off a live, and most fansub groups don't take their content from live simulcast or a stream. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but softsubbed fansubs are usually not ripped frm a legal source, right?
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Posted 1/13/16
Everything is legal if you can get away with it...
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Well, I'm not a US resident, that means i cannot watch anything from FUNimation, and i really WANT to watch Grimgar of fantasy and ash, so i have to use a fansub site, sadly.
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bobland wrote:
Their sub placement is terrible too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGYL-ZD0_Q


Ahhhhhh hahahahahaha that went through editing and they thought that was a good idea.

That reminds me of Slayers, there was a scene where Gourry's pants didn't get colored in. This class A fuck-up made it to Japanese TV, then to the states, went through a English dubbing after the subbing, a laser disc print, then to VHS.

Sans pants.

Gourry is on a log with uncolored pants, I laugh just thinking about the train of effort that ran out of that station and how many editors missed it.
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Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16

animegirl2222 wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but softsubbed fansubs are usually not ripped frm a legal source, right?


The raws are usually from Japanese TV channels.

The subs are really dependent on group and how much effort they want to put in. Some groups rip straight off CR/Funi, many groups use CR/Funi edits, and the rest are original translations done by a translator.
Original translations are very hit and miss. Some are really good, and others take too many liberties and/or are memesubs.

Then you have stuff of legends
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Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16

bobland wrote:


animegirl2222 wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but softsubbed fansubs are usually not ripped frm a legal source, right?


The raws are usually from Japanese TV channels.

The subs are really dependent on group and how much effort they want to put in. Some groups rip straight off CR/Funi, many groups use CR/Funi edits, and the rest are original translations done by a translator.
Original translations are very hit and miss. Some are really good, and others take too many liberties and/or are memesubs.

Then you have stuff of legends


Coalguys did some awesome work back in the day, or was it GG that started it with Toradora?



Ah ha! I found it, still makes me laugh my ass off.
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Posted 1/15/16

SnugglesGodOfDeath wrote:

Fansubs are not generally legal under national or international copyright law. Under copyright law, if the owner of intellectual property (anime) doesn't give their consent for a translation (a fansub), then that fansub is a violation of the owner's copyright.

However, if the fansubber obtains permission or if the copyright holder otherwise grants permission through the copyright itself, then the fansub can be legal.

Currently, as legal streaming has expanded to include virtually all new anime, many so-called fansubs are actually rips from legal streaming sites. These are not legal in the slightest. True fansubs, where a group takes some obscure or unlicensed anime and translates and subs it themselves, are increasingly rare. While the private use of a fansub is either legal or something of a legal grey area, the public distribution, whether for profit or not, is illegal. However, true fansubs were often left alone by Japanese copyright holders and sometimes even by company licensing anime. This is because true fansubs were often a gateway for people to become anime fans generally. The recent practice of ripping anime from legal streaming sites is just flat out harmful to the legal distribution of anime and is thus treated as a major problem.

However, even a true fansub is a violation of a copyright owner's rights. When a fansub is posted to YouTube, the copyright owner's rights have been violated in at least two ways: first, they didn't give permission for the translation and second, they didn't give permission for the distribution.

When a non-fansub of a show is posted on YouTube without the permission of the official translator, that is also a violation of copyright law because, again, no permission has been given for the distribution despite the translation itself being authorized. For example, if I ripped a show off of Crunchyroll and posted it on YouTube, then I would have violated Crunchyroll's distribution rights as well as the original copyright owner's distribution rights without ever translating anything myself.

Basically, unless YouTube or the poster on the site have legal permission to post an episode of a show, and / or translate that show, it is illegal for them to do so.

There are a lot of nuances and grey areas in copyright law but this is the nutshell version of things.



Well I was told "...every time you watch a series on YouTube or something, you vote for no official release. Every viewing on one of those videos sends a message to companies. They check those things And every time you watch one you are letting them no that you don't support an official release."

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