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Are we taught Hitler was bad because the allies won the war?
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[note from mod: Reopened after reading through after multiple reports to the moderators.

In spite of some of the disturbing views expressed in the opening post (particularly holocaust denial) and in a few of the responses, the dialogue exchanged has been civil for the most part, sometimes informative, includes opposing views, and addresses the concept implied by the title regarding how history is written and perceived, as well as other ideas appropriate for the forums and this thread. Therefore I am leaving the thread open.

Please do not report the thread as a whole, or the opening post to the moderators.
Please do report any posts that attack other users or are derailing the thread. --lorreen]


Deleted, as a German I can't let this shit pass through. -Shinryou

1934, was the year Adolf Hitler lead Germany. Before this time, the German people were still suffering from the first World War. Suicide rates were high, there was a great depression, many were out of jobs, and the country was in shambles. Following the next few years however, in just 5 years he would go on to turn Germany into one of the most powerful nations the world had ever seen. Some of the things he done were as follows;

● He unified the German people and helped them regain their sense of pride
● Stabilized the German economy and eliminated foreign debt
● He instituted the standardized work schedule (40 hours a week, and extra pay for overtime)
● The German train system and a standardized measurement for rail cars
● Encouraged the development of the Volkswagen
● Instituted the Kindergarten system
● Encouraged the development of jet aircraft, and rocket development
● Banned Jewish methods of animal slaughter, and created animal rights laws that modern countries follow today.

So why is it, that what seems like a great leader, grew to become one of, or just straight up the most evil person in history? Is it because we're told this and 'History is written by the victors'. Or are we lead to believe he is evil because of the '6 million Jews' in concentration camps, although there is no documented evidence whatsoever to suggest that many were killed. Along with forensic, engineers and more have even confirmed there was no gas chambers (Survivors of the holocaust - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVmIaBW-HjI). When Hitler also come into power, he abolished any Jewish controlled banks / media in Germany, as he believed their propaganda is what caused them to be in the first World War.

1938, a year before WWII started, in Czechoslovakia a country created by the allies in 1919 populated by Czechs, Germans, Hungarians, Ukrainians, violence against the Germans here were on the rise. They cried out for help. The president of this country however, Edvard Benes instead imposed Martial Law on the German provinces. Leaving Hitler furious demanding their return. He again, extended this offer, until September of that year Hitler announced they can either let the Germans have their freedom, or Germany will invade and come get it themselves. And so Czechoslovakia did, and war was avoided.

1939, the year WWII began. Problems rose in Poland over access to the German territories East Prussia and Danzig. On Several occasions, Hitler presented proposals to resolve these things, but Poland refused to have any serious discussion. And just like in Czechoslovakia, concerns for the German people in East Prussia and Danzig were a concern for Hitler, as they were completely cut off from Germany. Just before the war, there were estimated over 80,000 Germans in refugee camps. They were a minority in Poland and treated like trash. Was Hitler to sit by and do nothing, or attack Poland to save his people, but knowing the British and French(lol) would get involved?

And this is how World War II started.

Hitler's Speech to the West - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM

And you can also watch this, it's very long so maybe don't do it in one go. But it explains a lot in detail and accurately, the history of the Jews, and almost everything about Hitler - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssCkc8t9sho
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Hm.

He also unjustifiably committed genocide.

J/s.

I might be wrong though

There are people who believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

It probably didn't happen

Most probably didn't happen

Fucking American propaganda fucking americans and uk people making up shit about hitler our lord and savior
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Jewish methods of animal slaughter are some of the most humane methods I have heard of. Why would you want to ban that? The animal cannot know it is being butchered or see one of its own being butchered. You must kill it in a single swing of a properly sharpened instrument.

The Germans typically used the Jews and undesirables as slave labor and fed them shit so they starved to death. Then near the later part of the war when the Russians were advancing they were wasting train loads of bullets on executing Jews and people in the camps.
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I have always considered Adolf to be a brilliant man. Misguided on some things mind you, but brilliant nonetheless. While I certainly don't agree with some actions he took during his reign (I'm sure you can guess the obvious one), I can't help but commend him for what he managed to accomplish in that time span for himself. Many of which you listed above. It's simply astounding what he did. In many senses. Most countries tend to paint things in a light that reflects best for their position. This in turn skews a persons perspective at a very young age.
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Posted 1/14/16 , edited 1/14/16
Well.. he would be seen in a bad light anyway..
and some of that^ thanks.

He was really smart in some ways, but you know how that goes... INSANE XP
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lol
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I also admire that Hitler was into the occult. (too bad the wrong side, but eh at least he was closer to the truth than like Christianity or the other main world Middle Eastern-based religions).

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History is written by the victors.

Always has been, always will be.
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dotsforlife wrote:

I have always considered Adolf to be a brilliant man. Misguided on some things mind you, but brilliant nonetheless. While I certainly don't agree with some actions he took during his reign (I'm sure you can guess the obvious one), I can't help but commend him for what he managed to accomplish in that time span for himself. Many of which you listed above. It's simply astounding what he did. In many senses. Most countries tend to paint things in a light that reflects best for their position. This in turn skews a persons perspective at a very young age.


I agree with you in everything you said. I do admire most of Hitlers achievements.
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I just can't.... I just can't..... I fear for the goats...
Better straw discussion ... Were the combined works of Stalin "more evil"?

Cause trying to argue the holocaust wasn't so bad..


No.

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1934, was the year Adolf Hitler lead Germany. Before this time, the German people were still suffering from the first World War. Suicide rates were high, there was a great depression, many were out of jobs, and the country was in shambles. Following the next few years however, in just 5 years he would go on to turn Germany into one of the most powerful nations the world had ever seen. Some of the things he done were as follows;


(sigh)...Still at it, huh?

The fact is, we DIDN'T EVEN KNOW about the camps until we liberated them.
The Germans thought it would make them look bad too, so once they "finished their work", the plans were to bulldoze them, build over the empty space and say "What, this barbed wire? Oh, that's...nothing, really."

Up to that point, before 1944, the worst we went around saying about Adolf was that he was an untrustworthy "skunk" who violated peace treaties, like the one that had made Neville Chamberlain look like a gullible chump. What could be worse than that?
Jewish folk in the US smelled a little danger in the message--just like Muslims and Mexicans have suspicions about Trump--but as far as Germany's propaganda machine was concerned, the Jews were being sent to nice holiday resorts, where they had their own houses and farms to work in. Okay, good enough for us.
Only the German refugees, many of whom had fled during some of the early 30's troubles, or those who still had Jewish relatives back in Poland, France and Czechoslovakia, were spreading the underground buzz that that wasn't where they were going.
Although back in the 40's, nobody really listened to Jewish voices very seriously over here, either.

Let's just say, when the Allied footage came back in the newsreels, it came as a bit of a.....surprise to us. It wasn't what we were expecting.
And if you're going to try and rescue your OP by saying the whole thing musta been "faked", don't worry, there are a lot of German people who still say that too.


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:
They were a minority in Poland and treated like trash. Was Hitler to sit by and do nothing, or attack Poland knowing the British and French(lol) would get involved?


So, he "only wanted peace", but they "forced him into war"...Yeahhhh, I DO recall him mentioning that on the subject a couple of times.
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Dariamus wrote:
History is written by the victors.
Always has been, always will be.
But sometimes the those can sympatise and write it more "behind the lines".
I think there was some movie really about that (an american on the asian side)

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-The holocaust

-plunging Europe into full scale war

-deliberate killing of the mentally disabled

-The banning of all other political parties

Amongst other things

Still, nice to see that David Irving has some fans though
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No, we're taught that he was a monster because the allies won the war. We would have been taught that he was a bad person that happened to be a good leader had the Nazis pulled through.
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